MPQ Tanking Graph, R60 version

Nonce Equitaur 2Nonce Equitaur 2 Age Unconfirmed Posts: 2,269 Chairperson of the Boards
edited September 2014 in MPQ General Discussion
Awhile ago I put out the MPQ Tanking Graph. R60 introduced some changes, so here's the new Domination graph.

An example of Domination -- IM40 beats or ties Patch in 5 out of 6 colors . Also look at Hulk vs BWGS, Marvel vs Magneto, Daredevil vs Spidey.
70/79/61/13/12/11 - [goto=ironman3]Iron Man[/goto] (Model 40)
61/70/13/12/79/11 - [goto=wolverine3]Wolverine[/goto] (Patch)

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WINNERS
Patch dominates BWGS, Deadpool, Torch, and Punisher
Psylocke dominates Black Panther, Captain America, The Hood, Colossus, and Wolverine
Psylocke isn't dominated by anyone.

LOSERS
Daredevil, Deadpool, Magneto are each dominated by 4 characters.
Captain America doesn't dominate any 3*. But only Psylocke dominates him.

BIGGER LOSERS
Loki, Doom, Ragnarok, Fury, WolvX, and IW. 4* characters have weaker "weak" tiles than the 3* characters, even when maxed.

Max Tile Damage .... Crit .... Power cost ....... Max HP .. Namelink to stats (link to discussion)
70/13/79/12/61/11/3.5 - 11/__/_8/__/_9/__ - 6800 - [goto=beast3]Beast[/goto] (Modern)
79/13/70/12/11/61/3.5 - _9/__/_8/__/__/12 - 8500 - [goto=blackpanther3]Black Panther[/goto] (Man Without Fear)
11/61/12/79/70/13/4.0 - __/14/__/11/19/__ - 5950 - [goto=blackwidow3]Black Widow[/goto] (Grey Suit)
79/70/61/11/12/13/3.0 - 19/11/12/__/__/__ - 8500 - [goto=captainamerica3]Captain America[/goto] (Steve Rogers)
70/79/12/11/13/61/4.5 - PA/_7/__/__/__/_9 - 8500 - [goto=captainmarvel3]Captain Marvel[/goto] (Modern)
79/70/13/11/12/61/3.0 - _8/11/__/__/__/13 - 10200- [goto=colossus3]Colossus[/goto] (Classic)
11/12/61/70/13/79/4.0 - __/__/_5/PA/__/PA - 6800 - [goto=daken3]Daken[/goto] (Classic)
11/61/70/79/12/13/3.5 - __/_7/_7/11/__/__ - 6800 - [goto=daredevil3]Daredevil[/goto] (Classic)
13/61/11/79/12/70/4.5 - __/_6/__/14/__/PA - 6800 - [goto=deadpool3]Deadpool[/goto] (It's Me, Deadpool)
79/13/70/61/12/11/3.0 - PA/__/PA/12/__/__ - 5950 - [goto=falcon3]Falcon[/goto] (Mighty Avengers)
13/79/12/11/61/70/3.0 - __/_8/__/__/_5/10 - 5950 - [goto=humantorch3]Human Torch[/goto] (Classic)
70/79/61/13/12/11/3.5 - 14/13/20/__/__/__ - 8500 - [goto=ironman3]Iron Man[/goto] (Model 40)
61/70/79/11/12/13/3.2 - _9/_8/10/__/__/__ - 6800 - [goto=magneto3]Magneto[/goto] (Classic)
11/79/70/13/12/61/3.8 - __/_8/10/__/__/_6 - 6800 - [goto=psylocke3]Psylocke[/goto] (Classic)
61/79/13/11/70/12/3.0 - _8/11/__/__/_7/__ -10200- [goto=sentry3]Sentry[/goto] (Dark Avengers)
13/70/79/12/61/11/3.0 - __/_9/_9/__/12/__ -10200- [goto=shehulk3]She-Hulk[/goto] (Modern)
79/13/61/70/12/11/3.0 - 12/__/_5/PA/__/__ - 6800 - [goto=spiderman3]Spider-Man[/goto] (Classic)
70/12/11/13/79/61/3.5 - _9/__/__/__/10/_9 - 5100 - [goto=storm3]Storm[/goto] (Mohawk)
79/13/70/12/11/61/4.5 - 15/__/PA/__/__/_9 - 5100 - [goto=thehood3]The Hood[/goto] (Classic)
12/70/13/11/79/61/3.0 - __/14/__/__/10/PA -11475- [goto=thehulk3]The Hulk[/goto] (Indestructible)
11/61/12/13/70/79/4.0 - __/_8/__/__/_8/_7 - 6800 - [goto=thepunisher3]The Punisher[/goto] (Dark Reign)
70/79/12/11/61/13/3.5 - 12/_8/__/__/14/__ -10200- [goto=thor3]Thor[/goto] (Modern)
61/70/13/12/79/11/4.0 - PA/14/__/__/_9/__ - 6800 - [goto=wolverine3]Wolverine[/goto] (Patch)

A lot of balance could be added to the game just by tweaking the "weak" tiles for a few characters. The 4* characters should get stronger "weak" tiles, at least comparable to the 3* characters. A level-shifting button would be a huge help.

The game can easily be improved with a bit of applied mathematics.

Comments

  • MarvelManMarvelMan Posts: 1,350
    Psylocke isn't dominated by anyone.

    Must....not....make....Sabretooth....joke....
  • marvel and magneto you say, might have to play with that combo...
  • Nonce Equitaur 2Nonce Equitaur 2 Age Unconfirmed Posts: 2,269 Chairperson of the Boards
    Added Colossus, updated graph in OP. Daken dominates somebody again. Colossus dominates BWGS. Psylocke dominates another character.
  • PylgrimPylgrim Posts: 2,296 Chairperson of the Boards
    I'd say that Psylocke is the loser, tanking for everyone and having an average HP, while Magneto is a winner, being a powerful character that is easy to tank for.

    I think one approach to shift tile damage slightly, without making it too confusing and as apart of an expectedly popular feature would be having "skins" that alter slightly those values.

    For example,

    Hulk (Mr. Fixit)
    +2 black damage, +2 yellow damage, -2 green damage, -2 blue damage
    +1 Cost to Smash, -1 cost to Thunderous Clap

    Hulk (Maestro)
    +5 red damage, +5 blue damage, -5 green, -5 purple
    Anger produces 2 more green tiles, +2 cost to Thunderous Clap
  • LeugenesmiffLeugenesmiff Age Unconfirmed Posts: 401 Mover and Shaker
    Besides for Patch's red (at least off the top of my head,) in most cases I'd rather my key guys be the losers on this graph, if I'm understanding it correctly. When your best guy takes all the damage and is first off the board, if it gets that far, your usually in trouble.
  • Nonce Equitaur 2Nonce Equitaur 2 Age Unconfirmed Posts: 2,269 Chairperson of the Boards
    Besides for Patch's red (at least off the top of my head,) in most cases I'd rather my key guys be the losers on this graph, if I'm understanding it correctly. When your best guy takes all the damage and is first off the board, if it gets that far, you're usually in trouble.

    Right. I mention this as item 14 in my grand plan.

    Must Dominate. (character with powers that depend on being in front)
    Hulk, Captain Marvel, and Colossus

    Should Dominate (characters with high health or regen)
    Thor, She-Hulk, Sentry, WolvX, Capt America, Black Panther, IM40, Patch, and Daken.

    Should Hide (fragile characters)
    Hood, Torch, Falcon, BWGS, Beast, Daredevil, Magneto, and Psylocke

    The graph just shows the current state of the game. It can be optimized to be much, much better for all characters.
  • PylgrimPylgrim Posts: 2,296 Chairperson of the Boards
    Could you please add Loki, Rags and Doom to the table anyway? They are not going to dominate but its good to have the quick reference. As always thanks for this.

    By the way, Patchneto is still a fantastic team. It's no longer an infinite-turn steamroller, but now Patch covers Magneto's **** in two colours. Too bad that there's not a playable character with a blue as strong as Mags' to fully make him untouchable. Other than that, Deadpool and GSBW seem to be the best third wheel for them. (Or Hulk if you are not going full rainbow to maximise TBTI.)
  • Nonce Equitaur 2Nonce Equitaur 2 Age Unconfirmed Posts: 2,269 Chairperson of the Boards
    Pylgrim wrote:
    Could you please add Loki, Rags and Doom to the table anyway? They are not going to dominate but its good to have the quick reference. As always thanks for this.
    See the Character Compendium.
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