Poll time! R58s Character Change Weigh-in!

IReallyHatePVP

10-day poll, now that we have got some games under our collective belts. Please keep in mind, however, that this poll is for the three characters who changed only; post your Team-Up system love/hate somewhere more appropriate.

Don't be shy to post a reply, if you wish to share your thoughts and/or findings during your playtime.

Mods, please feel free to move this if you feel it better belongs in the Character Discussion section.

Thank You all in advance for your time & votes.

Xiltyn

Couldn't really find a choice that fits how I view the changes.

Storm: it's a nerf! She does significantly less damage now, and her board control/shift is also minimized. She does help fuel TUp, but you asked we leave our hatred elsewhere, so I won't get into that here...

Admiral Akbar: It's a trap!, (sorry) Daredevil: Ok, so his trap can be anywhere now, it changes nothing as the AI seems to always avoid them anyway. Sorry Double D...

Black Panther: From what I've seen, always getting three is an improvement to it being based purely on environment tiles (unless you liked saving up tons of enviro tiles to get more). Then being boosted if you have enough TUAP, and not using it up is a nice addition also.

So basically, Storm was weakened, Black Panther given a bit of a boost, and Daredevil didn't change at all (still disappointing).

Phillipes

I have voted for 2nd option.

Black Panther - better then ever.
Daredevil - still useless.
3* Storm - without change, but maybe sliiiiigtly better, if you have some really good TU.
1* Storm - useless now, she was used in PVE goon level because of 5 red MoTE, with that power cost at 9 and almost without chance of creating cascades, she is practicly useless.

NorthernPolarity

Think you guys are undervaluing the 3* storm changes. On paper it looks like she got worse, but moving her mistress from red to yellow is huge in terms of fitting her into more compositions since red is just so much more plentiful than yellow is. She has a slight power bump as a result. BP moves from mid-tier to high tier off of this change, and no one cares about DD. This option wasn't included in the poll, but my vote goes for: BP -> significant buff, 3* Storm -> small buff, 1* Storm -> huge nerf, DD -> who cares.

Xiltyn

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Think you guys are undervaluing the 3* storm changes. On paper it looks like she got worse, but moving her mistress from red to yellow is huge in terms of fitting her into more compositions since red is just so much more plentiful than yellow is. She has a slight power bump as a result. BP moves from mid-tier to high tier off of this change, and no one cares about DD. This option wasn't included in the poll, but my vote goes for: BP -> significant buff, 3* Storm -> small buff, 1* Storm -> huge nerf, DD -> who cares.

Yes, moving it to yellow helps so the power can be used without denying a higher powered red ability. But I was comparing just the damage output of Storm now to before, in that regard she has taken a step backwards I feel.

Unknown

I feel Storms yellow, perhaps even at level 5, should destroy all TU tiles, even if you only get a max of 5 TUAP from it. Storms ability to clear out **** tiles and maybe cause cascades was my favorite use from her.

Unknown

Panther is boosted, Daredevil is improved by an almost imperceptible amount and still utterly sucks, Storm is both nerfed (by the numbers) and improved (by having a red ability changed to yellow, making it more useable even as it becomes worse). I suspect people will accept the Storm changes more once they make the obvious improvements to Team-Ups so that we actually use them instead of them being more of a nuisance than an improvement.

Pylgrim

NorthernPolarity wrote:

Think you guys are undervaluing the 3* storm changes. On paper it looks like she got worse, but moving her mistress from red to yellow is huge in terms of fitting her into more compositions since red is just so much more plentiful than yellow is. She has a slight power bump as a result. BP moves from mid-tier to high tier off of this change, and no one cares about DD. This option wasn't included in the poll, but my vote goes for: BP -> significant buff, 3* Storm -> small buff, 1* Storm -> huge nerf, DD -> who cares.

Nobody is complaining about the change to yellow, that's fine. What we're all complaining about is that we the ability now deals thousands less of damage and generates many less cascades, in exchange only for some conditionally-good-only Team Up AP. Yes, on paper it looks worse... in reality...have you actually played with her in the PVP event? The reality is as sad as the paper, let me tell you.

Cragger

The only character that changed significantly for me is GSBW. She has always been squishy, but I could cover her red and green with ANY red/green powerhouse and still utilize her abilities mid-to-late game. Now that she tanks red and green over the likes of Punisher and many others, she takes far more damage than I have ever experienced and she normally lasts far fewer matches when climbing PvPs, which has been my normal use-case for her.

GSBW = NERF

Unknown

Your poll doesn't really run the full spectrum of options. I would vote for BP up, DD and Storm meh, but that's not really an option. A better way to set up the poll might be to separate everything and allow multiple options to be selected. That way people can vote independently for who they think got better or worse.

GothicKratos

Team-Ups (and by product, Storm) I am holding out judgement on until we get the ability to delete existing T-Us and/or reject incoming T-Us, because going to the Prologue to "peel" them is just not something I am going to do.I played with them the first two or three days, and I like the idea immensely, but some of the choices make me scratch my head.

Panther seems subjectively better, but I feel like it's a negligible difference, in the long run.

Daredevil is Daredevil. Let's just let him sulk in a corner.

wymtime

I think the big change has been to BP. The 3 strong strike tiles with Rage of the panther makes him an extremly strong Character. I use him with Senty and use battle plan instead of sacrafice so I Sentry can last longer and I can get a couple more matches in while shield hopping. His Black is still a beast and he matches well with Patch. Everything else has been MEH. I only used Storm in PVE with the right ENV tiles becuase of her 5 RED, now I just use more PAtchneto. DD....really.....it's DD.

OzarkBoatswain

BP - big improvement, with or without bugs
DD - slight improvement, not enough to matter
Mohawk Storm - minor nerf

IReallyHatePVP

Wow. Poll slid to Page 2.

Just to let you know Cragger, GSBWs changes are being covered in the 'Unannounced Changes' Thread.

Also, Thugpatrol, I believe in the true word of the IceIX; there is no such thing as a meh character change. Either they get Buffed or they get NERFed.

Poll closes In 5 days, but I'm pretty sure this one's been decided 5 days ago...

Unknown

I disagree that Storm was nerfed. Her power now lies in teamups. She is as powerful, or as weak, as the teamups you bring. 9 Yellow turning into 7 TU turning into something to smash the enemy with. She does her normal damage plus the TU damage. It's not as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

Xiltyn

Lerysh wrote:

I disagree that Storm was nerfed. Her power now lies in teamups. She is as powerful, or as weak, as the teamups you bring. 9 Yellow turning into 7 TU turning into something to smash the enemy with. She does her normal damage plus the TU damage. It's not as bad as everyone is making it out to be.

Her power before wasn't based on another mechanic, the damage was much higher and solely from her. If it happened to gain enough enviro tiles, that was just icing on the cake. Now she relies on a totally separate mechanic for "her" damage. I'm sorry, but that right there says it's a nerf.

babinro

Storm's yellow is insanely good now given the power of TU's and as a result her character was heavily buffed in terms of consistency.
I will concede that her old power was superior for jungle environments only.

BP has vaulted into top tier play thanks to his yellow change. He's now superior to Punisher and arguably as good as LThor. He still doesn't compete with broken mags and he lacks the deadly combo potential of ldaken/sentry. Still, as a solo character he's among the best in the game.

DD continues to be trash because of the vulnerability of trap tiles. I think the character would be pretty good if traps could NEVER be disabled unless the character is defeated. Therefore, daken's passive would trigger the red kick of death rather than replace it. Pun's green would trigger them as would Hulks green and similar abilities. I'd allow caps abilities and mags blue to still work on them because of their intended design.

DD isn't a *** character though. He's barely even the quality of **. I'd take ** Thor, ** Daken, Ares, Torchling, CStorm all over DD any day given his current implementation.