demoting commanders rule set - petition to Demiurge / D3P

Unknown

I'd like to start a petition to determine Demiurge / D3P to change their current stance on commanders within an alliance.

What customer support told me is that:
- the founder is untouchable
- the only way for a commander to be demoted is if he/she doesn't play AT ALL for two weeks

In terms of competitive alliances though, scoring 200 points or scoring 0 is almost the same, and it's unfair for 19 players to carry an extra burden to reach top 100 or even not be able to ever reach top 100 because of the dead weight.

My proposal is:
- the founder is untouchable
- each alliance should set up an event goal in their own forum topic
- if one / several commanders don't meet the event goal for two consecutive events AND everybody else in the alliance does, he/she/they can be demoted if the alliance founder OR all the other commanders request it

That ensures:
- D3P / Demiurge can easily verify the alliance goals and whether the commander breaks them or not
- the alliance members can demote anyone who consistently doesn't perform
- commanders can still judge the reasons of non-performing members and prevent ejecting a commander with real life issues

What do you think?

WilsonFisk

Twice now I've simply emailed CS and asked them to remove commander status from a player, they did it with no issue, and these weren't players that were totally inactive.

Unknown

Weird, our founder kept asking support to demote people and no answer at all. Maybe I should've been more patient?

Unknown

WilsonFisk wrote:

Twice now I've simply emailed CS and asked them to remove commander status from a player, they did it with no issue, and these weren't players that were totally inactive.

Wish I would have known you could do that before. Would have stopped some **** from costing us a Fury in s3.

Unknown

Many alliances have way too many Commanders because it was the only way to spread the HP cost of growing the alliance around, and from what I've heard as well as personal experience it causes this problem fairly often. Much of this issue would be solved by having more than two tiers of alliance members. Right now there's just Commanders and everyone else. Simply having a third tier above Commander who could demote them and subsequently kick them would solve a lot of problems.

They're probably wary of this solution because it causes another issue of people joining an alliance, getting promoted to buy slots with HP, and then getting kicked, but in the long run it would probably prevent a lot more customer service requests than it would cause.

DrNitroman

sorcered wrote:

Weird, our founder kept asking support to demote people and no answer at all. Maybe I should've been more patient?

I asked D3 to remove commander status to an inactive player recently. It took them only 3 days to accept this request:

D3Publisher Customer Support Team wrote:
We are able to process your request only because the Commander has been inactive and the Alliance Creator seems to no longer be a member of your alliance.
The user **** has been demoted and can now be kicked at your convenience.

It seems that real inactivity and absence of founder are required? Apart from that I don't know why your request didn't receive a positive answer.

Unknown

sorcered wrote:

I'd like to start a petition to determine Demiurge / D3P to change their current stance on commanders within an alliance.

What customer support told me is that:
- the founder is untouchable
- the only way for a commander to be demoted is if he/she doesn't play AT ALL for two weeks

In terms of competitive alliances though, scoring 200 points or scoring 0 is almost the same, and it's unfair for 19 players to carry an extra burden to reach top 100 or even not be able to ever reach top 100 because of the dead weight.

My proposal is:
- the founder is untouchable
- each alliance should set up an event goal in their own forum topic
- if one / several commanders don't meet the event goal for two consecutive events AND everybody else in the alliance does, he/she/they can be demoted if the alliance founder OR all the other commanders request it

That ensures:
- D3P / Demiurge can easily verify the alliance goals and whether the commander breaks them or not
- the alliance members can demote anyone who consistently doesn't perform
- commanders can still judge the reasons of non-performing members and prevent ejecting a commander with real life issues

What do you think?

If you don't like your alliance start another or join another.

If you start, limit who (of any) you make a commander.

It's not mpq's fault of someone in your alliance made someone who is not responsible a commander.

DrNitroman

stephen43084 wrote:

If you don't like your alliance start another or join another.

If you start, limit who (of any) you make a commander.

It's not mpq's fault of someone in your alliance made someone who is not responsible a commander.

The initial alliances exist now for nearly 5 months. It's totally normal that there was a lot of turnover in alliance members.
As it was said, several players were made commanders because they bought their spot.
They probably were motivated enough to do that initially but... in 5 months you may change your mind!

I'm not surprised that the OP want to kick an inactive commander. I am a bit more surprised that you adviced him to leave. Should all the 19 active members leave to create a new alliance?
Of course, ideally it's the inactive player who should voluntarily leave so that there is not an inactive 'ghost' player.
Well, it seems that some player don't consider match-3 game seriously enough to resign formally...

IamTheDanger

This is a very touchy subject with many angles to consider. I personally have financed 2, 20 member alliances by myself. I am the commander of "Heros-R-Us", while my wife commands "Heros-R-Us Jr.".

Alliances are a team that must work together. If a player on my team is not pulling their weight, then I will try to notify them and give them a chance to pull their participation up. If not, they will be kicked. And every person on the team should be bound by all the same rules equally. If one person is not doing their fair share, then it affects the other 19. In my case, if a player wants to take a break or switch to casual, they can move to my wifes team. Including me. If i need a break, then i should voluntarily leave the team to someone I trust so I don't bring down everyone else's hard work. While my team is a more serious hardcore players group, hers is more casual. So everyone can play as much as they want, or don't want.


However, if I spend my own money to build an entire alliance by myself, then I should be able to do what I want, when I want. If someone on the team does not like it, they can always leave and start their own alliance. Since it is my team, that I paid for, then no one should be able to take it from me for any reason.

Like I said, there are many, many angles to consider in this matter.

JJ

Unknown

stephen43084 wrote:

If you don't like your alliance start another or join another.

If you start, limit who (of any) you make a commander.

It's not mpq's fault of someone in your alliance made someone who is not responsible a commander.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. Please visit again

1. Way back in time, alliances were expanding by asking new members to buy their slots. It's still the case if I'm not mistaken, given the total cost for a 20 slots alliance is about 100 bucks.
2. There's no way to tell beforehand if somebody is responsible or not. You can look at their roster, check out their scores, see how they do in the first few events, but if they keep asking to be made commanders AND they open a new slot for your starved alliance, you can only assume the best.
3. I didn't blame MPQ. I just proposed a better (IMHO) system.

Unknown

JCTthe3rd81 wrote:

Since it is my team, that I paid for, then no one should be able to take it from me for any reason.

My proposal doesn't touch this in any way. It only lets other people (other commanders, working as a unit) the power to kick other commanders than won't reach the alliance's goal in two consecutive events.
Also, I've yet to get the official confirmation that the alliance's founder can just request a commander to be demoted and it'll happen.
If this is the official stance (founder can demote commanders via support), I'm happy with it.

IamTheDanger

sorcered wrote:

JCTthe3rd81 wrote:

Since it is my team, that I paid for, then no one should be able to take it from me for any reason.

My proposal doesn't touch this in any way. It only lets other people (other commanders, working as a unit) the power to kick other commanders than won't reach the alliance's goal in two consecutive events.

Yes, you are right. I was not disagreeing with you. In fact I agree with most of it. Like I said, even if I, the founder, do not pull my weight I should voluntarily leave. An alliance can only place high if every member helps out. One rule every team should have is "No free rides". And I beleive there should be a way to demote or kick commanders. It just has to be done correctly so people aren't constantly being screwed over. I apologize if I didn't explain properly.

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DrNitroman wrote:

sorcered wrote:

Weird, our founder kept asking support to demote people and no answer at all. Maybe I should've been more patient?

I asked D3 to remove commander status to an inactive player recently. It took them only 3 days to accept this request:

D3Publisher Customer Support Team wrote:
We are able to process your request only because the Commander has been inactive and the Alliance Creator seems to no longer be a member of your alliance.
The user **** has been demoted and can now be kicked at your convenience.

It seems that real inactivity and absence of founder are required? Apart from that I don't know why your request didn't receive a positive answer.

I was the founder of the laboratory and had to get CS to demote at least one commander, I have heard that they have petitioned more commanders to be demoted in my absence as well. Seems a cumbersome way to deal with a seemingly common issue, especially since it takes 2 clicks to make someone a commander it shouldn't take an act of congress to undo. Would be nice if it only took a 2/3 vote to kick a commander.

Twysta

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I'm sure they'll do it just after the xforce buff.
It's been worked on in the same time frame as it takes as their proposed time to add a delete button to Team Ups, TWO PATCHES away.*

*which is presumed in two months.