Help this dumbo -- another leveling thread

Cousin Simpson

I've made a couple of noob mistakes, probably topped off by spending HP on things other than roster spots, but also selling my Hawkeye and BW covers to make room for their fancier versions (modern and grey suit). So now, because a bunch of my characters are currently cover-limited, the only character that I can level up with a modicum of freedom is my Iron Man. When I'm able to scrape together the HP for that extra roster spot, should I go about restoring BW? I do have a tasty looking Magneto in my rewards, however.

And of course, the obligatory "How/where should I level up?" question. I'm wondering if my lineup is too weak to fully take advantage of featured events, or if I should do SHIELD training, or if I should grind away at PvE.

Current roster:
im35 25 2/5/4
m storm 16 5/1/1
grey widow 15 -/1/-
bag-man 9 1/1/1
bullseye 6 1/-
modhawk 6 -/1
thor 6 -/-/1
jug 1 1/1

Covers on deck, slowly spoiling:
hawk (c) 1r 1p
bw (m) 3b 1p
magneto now 1p
yb 1b 2p

Pleefs

Grind away at the PvE so you can get the Thors and Classic Storms given as prizes from the missions. Classic Storm's not as big a deal now, but she can still be solid.

You should always hit the tournaments at least to get the first two or three easy prizes, of which a cover is typically one. You could get lucky and score someone good.

FoxInSox

Continue playing the PvE, getting as much HP as possible (for cover slots). Sell the Yelena covers. Space permitting, recruit Modern Widow (her stun will be key early on), else sell bag-man and recruit her. Try to hold on to the magneto now cover. classic hawkeye's only utility is the row destroying special to clear enemy countdown tiles. He will not be much use to you for much longer, so can also be considered expendable.

As said above, your goals in the PvE chapters is transitioning to a Thor + Classic Storm team, which will be significantly more powerful than anything you can field right now.

For the time being, all of your ISO should go into leveling IM35 + Modern Storm (try to get her to 5/3/5), until Thor + C Storm have enough covers to be worth leveling up instead.

Cousin Simpson

Thanks everyone for the advice! I'm already implementing some of it, and I feel a lot more confident about the direction I should take.

Two further questions.

FoxInSox wrote:

sell bag-man

I'm actually more tempted to sell Juggernaut, since I just realized that Bags might come in handy with Yelena's goons in the Venom PvE chapter. Thoughts?

Edit: ah, I see from his health that he can take a hit. I'll keep him!

Second: if my roster situation is tight, is it worth taking a chance on buying some covers in the hopes that I'll get something I can actually use to post up my roster, or will that just compound my thirst for HP?

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Cousin Simpson wrote:

I'm actually more tempted to sell Juggernaut, since I just realized that Bags might come in handy with Yelena's goons in the Venom PvE chapter. Thoughts?

Bag-Man is useless.

Cousin Simpson wrote:

Second: if my roster situation is tight, is it worth taking a chance on buying some covers

No.

FoxInSox

You are more than welcome!

For all that is holy, do not sell any other cover in order to keep a bag man. Unless he gets buffed in the future, he is by FAR the **** tinykitty character in the game. I'd get more use of classic hawk eye, or yelena, who I also consider useless. Jugs is much better, trust us.

Until you have enough cover space to keep all useful characters, buying character packs is a useless risk. If you have the space or truly expendable characters, then hero packs can be worth it when you are a new player as you won't have many good covers yet. Later on, not so much. For now, save all your hp for cover slots.

Cousin Simpson

FoxInSox wrote:

For all that is holy, do not sell any other cover in order to keep a bag man.

Y'all have convinced/shamed me, Bags is gone, Jugs is up to level 15 now I think. I'm going to make an effort this weekend to get another cover so that I can level him up to big dumb tank status, since right now my mod Storm has, I think, a higher green attack than him, aka lol oops.

Until you have enough cover space to keep all useful characters, buying character packs is a useless risk. If you have the space or truly expendable characters, then hero packs can be worth it when you are a new player as you won't have many good covers yet. Later on, not so much. For now, save all your hp for cover slots.

It's so tempting, though... 10 standard tokens, plus a heroic token.

Anyway, I participated in my first tourney in a real way this last weekend (Doctor's Orders), and finished #14! I was mainly aiming for the HP, but now I have three more covers whose expiration I have to worry about, AGAIN. This is textbook manipulation, D3, well done. I found out that I can grind my way to HP in the PVP events, so, you know, goodbye outside world.

Updated covers on deck in ascending order of freshness:

Hawk C (probably going to sell for body parts)
Magneto Now
Storm C
Mod Capn A
Astonishing Wolverine

I'm really tempted to bump up Cap above Storm in my queue because I'm still not done with PvE and a bunch of the chapter 3 missions are giving me trouble (ugh Maggia, ugh level 20 HAMMER) and I also to mine more HP there, thus expediting roster expansion...

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Cousin Simpson wrote:

Hawk C (probably going to sell for body parts)
Magneto Now
Storm C
Mod Capn A
Astonishing Wolverine

My opinion in which order of importance you should save these covers (better at the top):

1.Wolverine (He is a really good character, and he can heal himself so he has essentially no downtime. Also his strike tiles pack a punch, make sure you take 5 level in green)
2. Classic Storm (Very good AE and AP-generation. Despite the nerf still very strong and a nice upgrade to modern storm. In my opinion you can skill what you want)
3. Magneto (Interesting character, not much used because his covers are hard to obtain. They were not given in any event up til now, and I play since nearly the start)
4. Captain America (He is good in PvE, but most of his power comes from having 5 level in blue and/or red so he can deal with enemy countdowns. He is useless in PvP Tournaments and if you only have a few covers)
5. Hawkeye classic (One star, few hitpoints, doesnt do much damage. good against countdown tiles if you have his covers maxed but even then there are better alternatives. Although he helped me beat a few stages early)

FoxInSox

Mommson wrote:

My opinion in which order of importance you should save these covers (better at the top):
1.Wolverine 2. Classic Storm 3. Magneto 4. Captain America 5. Hawkeye classic

I agree with everything you said.

I'd add that for classic storm you definitely want green at 5 as well. Since her yellow got nerfed, the consensus for the rest seems to build her as either 5/5/3 or 5/4/4. Wolverine is good in any build so long as green is 5, but I prefer 5/3/5 for the constant healing and the fact that I have better red damage dealers.

Cousin Simpson

Interesting rankings, Mommson and Fox. I'm curious if either of you can explain why I should pop Wolverine to the top -- after doing a PVP, I understand the importance of healing, but with just the single cover and no reliable expectation of getting any more any time soon (and TBH I don't remember how I got him in the first place!), won't he be occupying a roster spot without making worthwhile contributions (like my Mod Hawk/Bullseyea are doing)? And especially if the cover I have isn't his Yellow ability (can't check right now)?

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Cousin Simpson wrote:

Interesting rankings, Mommson and Fox. I'm curious if either of you can explain why I should pop Wolverine to the top -- after doing a PVP, I understand the importance of healing, but with just the single cover and no reliable expectation of getting any more any time soon (and TBH I don't remember how I got him in the first place!), won't he be occupying a roster spot without making worthwhile contributions (like my Mod Hawk/Bullseyea are doing)? And especially if the cover I have isn't his Yellow ability (can't check right now)?

You can get one cover of each color in the mission "Dark Avengers" on the prologue map of the same name, but will need some more levels under your belt first. You have to start somewhere, and he is too good to get rid of, even if it doesn't help you much right this minute.

Cousin Simpson

Quick update: sold Bullseye and got +1 roster, added C Storm and A Wolverine. That leaves Cap and Moonstone. If worst comes to worst and I can't get two more roster spots this weekend, I'm thinking of selling my M Hawkeye, either to accommodate Cap (to whom I'm giving higher priority) or Moonstone. Y/N?

FoxInSox

Cousin Simpson wrote:

Quick update: sold Bullseye and got +1 roster, added C Storm and A Wolverine. That leaves Cap and Moonstone. If worst comes to worst and I can't get two more roster spots this weekend, I'm thinking of selling my M Hawkeye, either to accommodate Cap (to whom I'm giving higher priority) or Moonstone. Y/N?

Good job! Wolverine and C Storm remain two of the best 2 stars in the game. You will enjoy them, I guarantee it.

Moonstone is close to useless as well. I'd easily prioritize her below M Hawkeye and Cap. Of the latter two, I have a slight preference for Captain America because when both his blue and red are leveled to 5, he is GREAT at dealing with countdown tiles (before this is the case, he is only mildly useful). Unfortunately this greatness doesn't extend to PvP at ALL, but you will have many countdowns to deal with in PvE. Just don't keep Moonstone over any of those two.

Cousin Simpson

FoxInSox wrote:

Good job! Wolverine and C Storm remain two of the best 2 stars in the game. You will enjoy them, I guarantee it.

Moonstone is close to useless as well. I'd easily prioritize her below M Hawkeye and Cap. Of the latter two, I have a slight preference for Captain America because when both his blue and red are leveled to 5, he is GREAT at dealing with countdown tiles (before this is the case, he is only mildly useful). Unfortunately this greatness doesn't extend to PvP at ALL, but you will have many countdowns to deal with in PvE. Just don't keep Moonstone over any of those two.

From the previous Avengers event, I got 3 C Storm covers, so she's 1/2/2 now, but I'm keeping her level under Thor (2/1/1) for now. Moonstone has been sold, and Cap is the fold, though not leveled up enough to be of use in the countdown heavy missions. Which brings me to my next question -- when the next spot in my roster opens up, should I recruit C Hawkeye just to help against the level 20+ countdown missions? My normal M Storm, IM35, M BW team still has trouble against them.I'd sell him later to make room for others.

Current covers on deck: 3 Venom, 2 Hawkeye, 1 O BW.

Edited to add: the 25 standard recruit tokens are burning a hole in my pocket! And the two heroic tokens.

FoxInSox

Cousin Simpson wrote:

From the previous Avengers event, I got 3 C Storm covers, so she's 1/2/2 now, but I'm keeping her level under Thor (2/1/1) for now. Moonstone has been sold, and Cap is the fold, though not leveled up enough to be of use in the countdown heavy missions. Which brings me to my next question -- when the next spot in my roster opens up, should I recruit C Hawkeye just to help against the level 20+ countdown missions? My normal M Storm, IM35, M BW team still has trouble against them.I'd sell him later to make room for others.

Current covers on deck: 3 Venom, 2 Hawkeye, 1 O BW.

Edited to add: the 25 standard recruit tokens are burning a hole in my pocket! And the two heroic tokens.

Depends on who you would have to sell in order to recruit 1 star hawkeye for countdown tile help. I don't think I could advocate the selling of a useful character in order to recruit a classic hawkeye to temporarily help you (he will be completely and utterly useless to you in close to no time at all). You might be better off trying to use boosts or leveling your characters more in order to clear those levels first.

Cousin Simpson

Can you believe I quit this game for a week? Just when I thought I was out...

So, pulled a Wolvie X AND a C Mag on two consecutive Heroic tokens, but the question now is what I'm to do with Wolvie, because I'm at my roster limit (again), but with 50 HP away from buying a new one. I could grind Wolvie for parts by selling him and expand my roster by two whole spots! Returning after the withdrawal has got me so goofy I might just do this!

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I'm assuming you mean you got 2* Wolvie (as opposed to 4* or the latest 3*). 2* Wolvie is considered one of the best 2*s in the game - superior even to 4* Wolvie. (That could change after a rebalancing, but for now, he's terrific.) I would grind whatever I could find to get HP to get him a roster spot; barring that, I'd sell off any 1* in order to keep him.

Cousin Simpson

OK, so I'm possibly approaching another Whom To Sell decision as I get close to the Bullseye progression award in DP vs. MPQ.

I've gotten most 3*s with Hulk, Patch, Daken, Punisher all 166'ed, and several others that are 100+, meaning that I'm mostly a 3* PVP player now. With only 175 HP, I'm not going to get close to the 700+ I need to open up another roster spot for BE, so my thinking is that a 2* is going to go:

Ares
OBW
Cap
Daken
Hawkeye
Magneto
Storm
Thor
Wolverine

I'm thinking of selling Ares (whom I haven't used in months probably) since Thor fills the yellow/red/green tank role, Cap is too useful in the Big Enchilada, and Hawk/Storm/Mags is a useful lineup for low-level missions that I want to burn through quickly. Oh, and Wolverine might sometimes be an essential character in PvEs now.

udonomefoo

Haha, I started reading the thread from the beginning before realizing it was 18 months old.

Ares, to me, is really only good for defense in pvp when you're in 2* land as people are afraid of the quick green strike. I never use mine anymore either. I already got rid of hawkeye. Those would be my 2 to consider. I'd prob dump hawkeye first, but that's just personal pref.

Cousin Simpson

udonomefoo wrote:

Haha, I started reading the thread from the beginning before realizing it was 18 months old.

That's what I get for bumping an ancient thread!

Ares, to me, is really only good for defense in pvp when you're in 2* land as people are afraid of the quick green strike. I never use mine anymore either. I already got rid of hawkeye. Those would be my 2 to consider. I'd prob dump hawkeye first, but that's just personal pref.

That makes sense re: Ares (though personally I'm usually more afraid of Sunder when I'm facing him). I get more use out of Hawkeye for his Speed Shot (which softens the MagNow nerf a little IMO), even though he's still VERY situational -- which is more than I can say for Ares nowadays.

TLDR Goodbye God of War.

udonomefoo

The other reason I think that's the right decision is that Ares should very rarely be the buffed 2* in pve since we're always fighting against the dark avengers, while hawkeye should be in rotation.