What to do with my HP

Moon Roach

I bit the bullet and bought a Stark Salary during the sale. I'd been buying a Loonie every week for shields and daily deals on tokens, and thought it's way more economical to pre-pay, effectively getting a week for free, and use it slowly over the next month or so. Oh dear, little did I know.

Well, now I don't need it for shields, I can't play long enough to be able to score high enough to compete and need a shield. (Unless I buy health packs, and although I've done that in the past when climbing I am now morally obligated not to.) And for the last 3 or 4 days all I've been getting are 2* covers and a Daredevil. 100 or 200 HP for 250 ISO isn't a good conversion rate.

And although the game has stopped being fun, I have 21500 HP left that I want to use.

I've read "everyone will run Patch / Lazy Daken" quite a few times. From events and draws I have L43 3/1/1 Daken and L38 0/2/2 Patch. I could spend 15k to make them 5/5/3 (or whatever the post-true healing best build is) and 0/5/3 respectively. My best other 3* with at least one cover of each colour is L70 3/4/2 HT, I could spend 5k HP topping him up for a third. Oh, from draws I also have L55 4/1/2 X-Force, I could spend 7.5k to make him 4/1/5.

But, and it's a big but, I have only about 6k ISO and it's a slow process getting more when you can play and win only 4 or so matches before your roster is mostly dead, you have no health packs and you have to wait to play again.

I'd like some advice about the best way to carry on with the game.

If I do upgrade are they completely useless until levelled?
With them upgraded will I see only 3x141 or worse as opponents?
Should I upgrade X-Force or HT?
Could this team survive longer than the 4 matches my L85 2*s currently can cope with?
Do I buy a 42 pack and hope for decent covers? (Oh dear, I hope not)
Do I carry on as now spending 300 or 500 a day on tokens and hope that true healing will be repealed before I run out and we're back to normal?

I'm tempted to just do it and see what happens. Maybe the game will be less frustrating at least...

The Finn

For the love of all that is holy please stop throwing your money away on tokens or packs. The ROI is terrible and won't appreciably help you out of your current situation.

Because you are ISO starved, I personally feel like sitting on your stockpile is the way to go. You may not want to hear it, but it is going to take you a long time to get those 3*s to usable even if you max their covers. Stay patient and play the hell out of LRs with your existing 2* roster (get at least 100 pts) to harvest ISO. Similarly all the pves and pvps,keep harvesting ISO.

As harvesting enough ISO to lvl those guys will take a long while, you never know what pulls you may get or what covers you win from events. So keeping your Hp freed up gives you flexibility to lvl up covers depending on how your roster develops.

Even as this game heads more and more to P2W, it is still a game of SLOW progression. You have to stay patient if you want to transition to 3* land.

My .02...

HailMary

Moon Roach wrote:

If I do upgrade are they completely useless until levelled?
With them upgraded will I see only 3x141 or worse as opponents?
Should I upgrade X-Force or HT?
Could this team survive longer than the 4 matches my L85 2*s currently can cope with?
Do I buy a 42 pack and hope for decent covers? (Oh dear, I hope not)
Do I carry on as now spending 300 or 500 a day on tokens and hope that true healing will be repealed before I run out and we're back to normal?

Answers in order:
1. Yes.
2. It's not unlikely.
3. "Aw hellz no" to X-Force. HT is pretty good, but probably not a good transition character, since he's squishy.
4. UDaken can. 0/5/3 Patch is, to put it bluntly, useless.
5. No. Or ratter, double no.
6. No. Play in more frequent, shorter bursts. Keep reserving HP for roster slots and shields.

Stock up enough Iso to soft-cap before buying any covers. 3*s only really start outshining comparable 2*s when they're around L100.

Unknown

Do not touch X-Force. Stop wasting $ on tokens.

Investing in x/x/5 Patch and 5/x/x LD seems like a good idea. However, don't be surprised when they get nerfed in the future.

HairyDave

HailMary wrote:

Moon Roach wrote:

If I do upgrade are they completely useless until levelled?
With them upgraded will I see only 3x141 or worse as opponents?
Should I upgrade X-Force or HT?
Could this team survive longer than the 4 matches my L85 2*s currently can cope with?
Do I buy a 42 pack and hope for decent covers? (Oh dear, I hope not)
Do I carry on as now spending 300 or 500 a day on tokens and hope that true healing will be repealed before I run out and we're back to normal?

Answers in order:
1. Yes.
2. It's not unlikely.
3. "Aw hellz no" to X-Force. HT is pretty good, but probably not a good transition character, since he's squishy.
4. UDaken can. 0/5/3 Patch is, to put it bluntly, useless.
5. No. Or ratter, double no.
6. No. Play in more frequent, shorter bursts. Keep reserving HP for roster slots and shields.

Stock up enough Iso to soft-cap before buying any covers. 3*s only really start outshining comparable 2*s when they're around L100.

Small clarification on this one (because I've run into it): levels matter here not the covers. I didn't regularly see teams of 141s* until I pushed my first guy over 100 and even then I see way more 2* teams and 2/3* hybrids than full maxed teams.

*Hailmary you are welcome to stay out of my nodes - third PVP in a row I've had to skip you at least twice!

ThatOneGuyjp189512

5/4/4 is ideal build for super daken, to echo the sentiments of earlier posters....1) don't waste money on tokens or packs! you'll be better off just buying covers for your existing characters and this game provides more than enough tokens to get....maybe one three star cover/week considering drop rates and 2) do not...repeat: DO NOT spend iso on X-Joke till you literally have nothing left to level, till you have every 3 star in the game and don't have anywhere else to spend it. considering your options, you can't go wrong filling out the Daken as he's extremely good and well rounded from the two star version(4 covers in blue and 4 strike tiles gives you 2k damage for 5 blue AP)

Unknown

So it seems that with what everyone else has said, this thread is now an intervention.

Stop buying tokens. Immediately. You are done with them. The only tokens you will open now are the ones you earn as rewards.
Do not spend any HP unless it's to shield.
Do not spend any ISO until you have a stockpile of 10-20k. Maybe even higher.

Once you have enough ISO, then you can consider buying a cover. Unless it's something that has a direct effect on your current gameplay, increasing the level of a skill on a character you're not currently using is silly if you're raising it with HP.

Aim to spend your ISO (once you have it) in bigger bursts. It will likely be more effective than what I'm imagining you've been doing, which is doling it out one level at a time to numerous characters. There's nothing wrong with playing a consistent team for a while in order to save enough to make a better team.

If you're still in the 2* phase, embrace that. Not a lot of sense in trying to use a 3* that will be subpar because it's lacking levels (which you can't currently provide with 6k ISO).

As rough as some of these changes are (I'm not a fan of the True Healing™ either, and I stopped using OBW a couple days before this hit), if you find the base game enjoyable, just remember it's a marathon not a sprint. As you said - you bought essentially 5x what you normally bought - make it last at least that long.

Oh, as for the Daken debate - I'm 5/5/3 and it's a lot nicer than when I was 5/4/3. That 7v8 tile thing does make a difference, whereas anytime I'm using his blue skill, it's a move that will finish an opponent at 1500 or 2000.

HailMary

HairyDave wrote:

Small clarification on this one (because I've run into it): levels matter here not the covers. I didn't regularly see teams of 141s* until I pushed my first guy over 100 and even then I see way more 2* teams and 2/3* hybrids than full maxed teams.

*Hailmary you are welcome to stay out of my nodes - third PVP in a row I've had to skip you at least twice!

You're right. It's the leveling that really counts. I automatically think of "upgrade" as "put levels into," since a well-covered, low-leveled 3* is useless, so I overlooked the covers vs. levels distinction.

Also, thanks for the skips!

Spoit

ThatOneGuyjp189512 wrote:

5/4/4 is ideal build for super daken, to echo the sentiments of earlier posters....1) don't waste money on tokens or packs! you'll be better off just buying covers for your existing characters and this game provides more than enough tokens to get....maybe one three star cover/week considering drop rates and 2) do not...repeat: DO NOT spend iso on X-Joke till you literally have nothing left to level, till you have every 3 star in the game and don't have anywhere else to spend it. considering your options, you can't go wrong filling out the Daken as he's extremely good and well rounded from the two star version(4 covers in blue and 4 strike tiles gives you 2k damage for 5 blue AP)

disagree. There's a lot of posts in the actual thread that go over the math, but you want 5/3/5 or 5/5/3 for laken. 4 blue just eats up an extra strike for rather minimal gain.

HailMary

Spoit wrote:

disagree. There's a lot of posts in the actual thread that go over the math, but you want 5/3/5 or 5/5/3 for laken. 4 blue just eats up an extra strike for rather minimal gain.

This is what I've read, too.

I'm contemplating buying two covers to finish off my 5/3/3 UDaken, and I'm torn between 5/5/3 and 5/3/5. I was leaning fairly strongly towards 5/3/5. but even though "true healing" doesn't negatively impact my 3* team in any way, it's making me reconsider 5/5/3.

Moon Roach

Thanks for the input, every post directly responding gets +1 reputation. Hey, it's not HP but it's the best I can do.

It took having to expand the roster to get me to start buying HP in this game. It's NZ$25 for a loony pack, or about US$20. It's an amount I don't mind paying for the enjoyment I got from the game.

There is something addictive about opening a token and seeing the gold 3* or uber-gold 4*, even if it's someone like Loki. I'll miss that, but yes, I agree that I should stop buying tokens.

The way I've been using ISO is to level my characters to their limit as I get covers, core 2* first, other 2* second, featured 3* characters third, particular favourites fourth, deadbeats I might use one day last. I've also used it for boosts, but I stopped that a couple of days ago; it didn't make enough difference to the number of matches I could play in one sitting. I may use boosts again if the situation merits it in a tournament.

And if I can summarise what's been said, it's to pretend I don't have much HP and just play, using HP sparingly and only for shielding (and of course expanding the roster for the new useless-for-a-loooong time She-Hulk). Level up 3* characters only when I have enough ISO to take them to a decent level.

Thanks again.

Unknown

Moon Roach wrote:

Thanks for the input, every post directly responding gets +1 reputation. Hey, it's not HP but it's the best I can do.

It took having to expand the roster to get me to start buying HP in this game. It's NZ$25 for a loony pack, or about US$20. It's an amount I don't mind paying for the enjoyment I got from the game.

There is something addictive about opening a token and seeing the gold 3* or uber-gold 4*, even if it's someone like Loki. I'll miss that, but yes, I agree that I should stop buying tokens.

The way I've been using ISO is to level my characters to their limit as I get covers, core 2* first, other 2* second, featured 3* characters third, particular favourites fourth, deadbeats I might use one day last. I've also used it for boosts, but I stopped that a couple of days ago; it didn't make enough difference to the number of matches I could play in one sitting. I may use boosts again if the situation merits it in a tournament.

And if I can summarise what's been said, it's to pretend I don't have much HP and just play, using HP sparingly and only for shielding (and of course expanding the roster for the new useless-for-a-loooong time She-Hulk). Level up 3* characters only when I have enough ISO to take them to a decent level.

Thanks again.

one more thing. farm the LRs. you dun need to rank too high. just get to top 50 will get you 2 shiny heroic tokens. results? you get iso's on your climb (primary objective), covers (iso too) and 2 tokens to satisfy that pack opening itch

just remember. don't shield in LR, it's a waste of HP

Unknown

Come on, man, you said the game is not fun -- so do the right thing, stop killing your resources. Stop spending, stop playing. Until it gets fun. Past spending is irrelevant, you only shall look returns from the current point ahead.

If you was not accurate in your statements, then should provide a better input for advise. If say yo actually meant the your fun depends on certain position, prize gain, progress, whatever, describe that. It may be actually reachable or worth analysing.

In blind I'd say take a break, wait up till the metagame settles then ~3 weeks ahead learn what meta is at the moment, what teams attack, defend, scores, etc. Then look if you can fit into it with your sitting resources if it looks worthy still.

In the meantime if they offer the suspectedly OP stuff consider to try get that specifically. Also you may work on farming ISO using one of several simple means, but it is a shaky investment that pays off only IF you find back to fun really. What is questionable. Make up your odd then make the bet or decision to stay out.

killerkoala

Moon Roach wrote:

I bit the bullet and bought a Stark Salary during the sale. I'd been buying a Loonie every week for shields and daily deals on tokens, and thought it's way more economical to pre-pay, effectively getting a week for free, and use it slowly over the next month or so. Oh dear, little did I know.

Well, now I don't need it for shields, I can't play long enough to be able to score high enough to compete and need a shield. (Unless I buy health packs, and although I've done that in the past when climbing I am now morally obligated not to.) And for the last 3 or 4 days all I've been getting are 2* covers and a Daredevil. 100 or 200 HP for 250 ISO isn't a good conversion rate.

And although the game has stopped being fun, I have 21500 HP left that I want to use.

I've read "everyone will run Patch / Lazy Daken" quite a few times. From events and draws I have L43 3/1/1 Daken and L38 0/2/2 Patch. I could spend 15k to make them 5/5/3 (or whatever the post-true healing best build is) and 0/5/3 respectively. My best other 3* with at least one cover of each colour is L70 3/4/2 HT, I could spend 5k HP topping him up for a third. Oh, from draws I also have L55 4/1/2 X-Force, I could spend 7.5k to make him 4/1/5.

But, and it's a big but, I have only about 6k ISO and it's a slow process getting more when you can play and win only 4 or so matches before your roster is mostly dead, you have no health packs and you have to wait to play again.

I'd like some advice about the best way to carry on with the game.

If I do upgrade are they completely useless until levelled?
With them upgraded will I see only 3x141 or worse as opponents?
Should I upgrade X-Force or HT?
Could this team survive longer than the 4 matches my L85 2*s currently can cope with?
Do I buy a 42 pack and hope for decent covers? (Oh dear, I hope not)
Do I carry on as now spending 300 or 500 a day on tokens and hope that true healing will be repealed before I run out and we're back to normal?

I'm tempted to just do it and see what happens. Maybe the game will be less frustrating at least...

1) they need to be leveled to be more effictive unless it's like The Hood, where his passive steal, is his best feature.
2) If I remember reading right covering your characters won't make your MMR go up but after you level then over a a certain number that is when you you will start seeing 212/141/141. I don't know the level that is. But I do know when you get at least 1 141 it changes a lot.
3) X-Force is an albatross and HT is ok but you have to have him team up with a right group.
4) True Healers are going to be the norm nowadays so 3* Daken and Patch will be everywhere. But Patch with no green isn't that great.
5) Never buy tokens like everyone says save it for shields
6) See Above.

like everyone says play lightning rounds as much as possible and as soon as it starts so you can fight seed teams till you get at least 100 points. by then you will have a standard token some boosts and at least 500 iso. if you have stamina to do that; you will have 24 standard tokens and 12k in iso for 2 days of no sleeping. and if you get 1* and 2* covers from battles from lightning round, you can respec your characters the way you want you sell the rest for bonus iso.

I hope you continue to play and eventually have fun. BTW never buy tokens, lol

Moon Roach

If you was not accurate in your statements, then should provide a better input for advise. If say yo actually meant the your fun depends on certain position, prize gain, progress, whatever, describe that. It may be actually reachable or worth analysing.

What do I consider fun, in the context of the game. Fair question.

It's winning battles. It's losing battles, but only just. It's cursing Ares and his cheating Sunder. It's acquiring new covers. It's opening a token to get X-Force, even if everyone slates it, it's 4* for flip's sake, it must be good. It's getting a wider roster. It's reaching 5000 points in a season to get the heroic 10 pack even if all I open is 9 2* and DareDevil. It's getting top 25 in season 2 to get 2 heroic 10 packs even if all I open is 19 2* and Loki. (I don't recall what I got, it wasn't quite that bad.) It's getting top 50 or better to get a cover I don't have, especially if it's a new character. It's a sense that my roster is getting better. It's being able to play when I want to for as long as I want to, which I finally can do as at last I achieved a decent set of 2*.

Except the last factor has gone, because of the healing change and it's as if all that hard work is wasted. And that has a knock-on effect on everything else. I can't play / win as many games, so I can't score as many points. This latest tourney I've shielded at #10 with 603 and that's it for another 18 hours or so. My team is dead, it's late here and the Europeans have woken up, if I stay unshielded overnight I'll drop a lot of points. Normally I'd have a go at 900 and sometimes get it. In the end I'll be lucky to be top 50. My team can still get better, but it's like I'm driving with the handbrake on and allowed to travel only 6 inches at a time. The only upside is that everyone else doing the 2 => 3 transition is in the same position, unless they buy health packs.

I still want to play. It's an interesting and fun (edit: you know what I mean) if essentially pointless game. I've even started playing on steam at home to go with my android primary account, to try to recapture some of the fun. It's certainly less frustrating if I can alternate between the two accounts.

Your sig says you've stopped playing because of the healing changes. Wasn't that because it stopped being fun?

Unknown

Moon Roach wrote:

Your sig says you've stopped playing because of the healing changes. Wasn't that because it stopped being fun?

The game was really fun about until Hunt for Ares. since then the devs are systematically work on removing fun and especially to force some strict play routine someone there envisioned, punishing anything else. Especially blatantly punishing PROGRESS. by scaling, sharding, matchmaking and other petty kicks.

They also made a point of refusing to implement anything frequently asked including bug fixes and trivial to implement improvements to gameplay experience. While having resources to fiddle with things no one asked for or asked not to do. And kill off any workarounds the players discovered to keep it afloat.

Back around March many of us concluded that lurking in forums is so much more fun than playing the game that is mostly just source of frustration and endless grind repeating the same.

In the meantime they introduced alliances and I happened to drop into a really good one that created a new element of fun that kept me around for more. Also time to time my roster changed significantly to have some new in play.

But the game itself I played in 'don't care' mode for long and trying to minimize effort. That worked sometimes and failed other times.

Devs attitude did not improved a bit, actually it got worse in all regards accelerating the punishing measures. I marked my hard quit point on killing the prologue healing like a month ago as final step in invasion on my play style and it just went live recently. I just refuse to bend any further. (Despite any reasonable analysis would tell that I would pretty much rule the metagame now).

I did not formally quit, as said elsewhere will possibly play the new chapter PVE (just to see the story), maybe some odd PVP offering the few covers I still miss, will make the decision then, but as regular daily player that's it for me and DAMN the dev team for ruining a game with that much potential left buried and driving it all the way in the other direction chasing some nonsense metric and possibly one's ego trip.

orionpeace

If you still want to keep playing in the small bursts that you can now, good luck to you and your progression!

However, assuming you bought your HP through Google Play, they will work with you to get you your money back.

I am not trying to push you out of the game, but I know if I had just spent that kind of money on this game right before this change, I would be asking for my money back.