justsing said: hothie said: justsing said: hothie said:Okay. I can see that. The larger sample size you have the closer you get to actually meeting the 1:7 odds. Although I suppose that works both ways, too. I could go a freakish 6 for 18 and quit, knowing that the last 2 are extremely likely to be 4*s. Also, 100 pulls means saving up 2500 CP. So I would in effect be saving for the 2022 AS, then, right? I don't think that's necessarily the best strategy for me at the moment for where I am in the game. I'll keep that in mind, though. Thanks. Yeah, the different thing about this store and also the Fan Favorites store during Anniversary is that meta 4*s have boosted odds. So for any 4* rosters who don't have Polaris, Medusa, R4G, Juggernaut, America, and Karnak champed, it wouldn't be a bad idea to spend some CP here. But if you already have most of those champed and don't have a ton of CP, it'd likely still be better to keep hoarding until Anniversary. As for CP earn rate, if you're playing SCL7+ PVE to full progression and SCL7+ PVP to 13 wins or 500 pts, you'll earn about 72 CP a week. When we get to Anniversary in 3 months, you'll have at least 864 more CP in your hoard, which isn't too shabby, and that's not even accounting for the CP you get from other venues like champ rewards. Thank you for that. I have every 3* champed, so I'm not doing too badly in the champ rewards dept. Unfortunately my alliance isn't all that great for giving out CP. I usually end up giving more than I receive. And with the Spider Silk event, I just started doing SCL9, and holy cow the rewards are much better! (Tangent) Where I struggled in SCL8 are the higher levels of the 5* node. I knew I didn't have the 5* for this event, so I figured Why not? I may try and stay with SCL9 in PvE, even if I have the 5*, because the rewards are so much better overall, and for the rest of the storyline, I'm doing pretty well, which makes me think I can handle it.But, your math makes me think I might be able to make the 1000 CP threshold when the AS comes about, so that gives me some hope. I know it's only 40 pulls, but if I can stay to the 1:7, that's still 5 5* covers, and a bunch of good 4*s, so that will be nice. If you have them, champed Polaris + R4G + Juggs/Medusa will get you through most of SCL9 PVE. Some of the 5e nodes can be rough, but I was able to get through most of them with Polaris + Medusa using +2 all AP boosts and +2 blue AP boosts to stun the enemy ASAP. If you don't mind the extra time (and sometimes health pack usage) in SCL9, I'd say it's worth it for the bump in resources.
hothie said: justsing said: hothie said:Okay. I can see that. The larger sample size you have the closer you get to actually meeting the 1:7 odds. Although I suppose that works both ways, too. I could go a freakish 6 for 18 and quit, knowing that the last 2 are extremely likely to be 4*s. Also, 100 pulls means saving up 2500 CP. So I would in effect be saving for the 2022 AS, then, right? I don't think that's necessarily the best strategy for me at the moment for where I am in the game. I'll keep that in mind, though. Thanks. Yeah, the different thing about this store and also the Fan Favorites store during Anniversary is that meta 4*s have boosted odds. So for any 4* rosters who don't have Polaris, Medusa, R4G, Juggernaut, America, and Karnak champed, it wouldn't be a bad idea to spend some CP here. But if you already have most of those champed and don't have a ton of CP, it'd likely still be better to keep hoarding until Anniversary. As for CP earn rate, if you're playing SCL7+ PVE to full progression and SCL7+ PVP to 13 wins or 500 pts, you'll earn about 72 CP a week. When we get to Anniversary in 3 months, you'll have at least 864 more CP in your hoard, which isn't too shabby, and that's not even accounting for the CP you get from other venues like champ rewards. Thank you for that. I have every 3* champed, so I'm not doing too badly in the champ rewards dept. Unfortunately my alliance isn't all that great for giving out CP. I usually end up giving more than I receive. And with the Spider Silk event, I just started doing SCL9, and holy cow the rewards are much better! (Tangent) Where I struggled in SCL8 are the higher levels of the 5* node. I knew I didn't have the 5* for this event, so I figured Why not? I may try and stay with SCL9 in PvE, even if I have the 5*, because the rewards are so much better overall, and for the rest of the storyline, I'm doing pretty well, which makes me think I can handle it.But, your math makes me think I might be able to make the 1000 CP threshold when the AS comes about, so that gives me some hope. I know it's only 40 pulls, but if I can stay to the 1:7, that's still 5 5* covers, and a bunch of good 4*s, so that will be nice.
justsing said: hothie said:Okay. I can see that. The larger sample size you have the closer you get to actually meeting the 1:7 odds. Although I suppose that works both ways, too. I could go a freakish 6 for 18 and quit, knowing that the last 2 are extremely likely to be 4*s. Also, 100 pulls means saving up 2500 CP. So I would in effect be saving for the 2022 AS, then, right? I don't think that's necessarily the best strategy for me at the moment for where I am in the game. I'll keep that in mind, though. Thanks. Yeah, the different thing about this store and also the Fan Favorites store during Anniversary is that meta 4*s have boosted odds. So for any 4* rosters who don't have Polaris, Medusa, R4G, Juggernaut, America, and Karnak champed, it wouldn't be a bad idea to spend some CP here. But if you already have most of those champed and don't have a ton of CP, it'd likely still be better to keep hoarding until Anniversary. As for CP earn rate, if you're playing SCL7+ PVE to full progression and SCL7+ PVP to 13 wins or 500 pts, you'll earn about 72 CP a week. When we get to Anniversary in 3 months, you'll have at least 864 more CP in your hoard, which isn't too shabby, and that's not even accounting for the CP you get from other venues like champ rewards.
hothie said:Okay. I can see that. The larger sample size you have the closer you get to actually meeting the 1:7 odds. Although I suppose that works both ways, too. I could go a freakish 6 for 18 and quit, knowing that the last 2 are extremely likely to be 4*s. Also, 100 pulls means saving up 2500 CP. So I would in effect be saving for the 2022 AS, then, right? I don't think that's necessarily the best strategy for me at the moment for where I am in the game. I'll keep that in mind, though. Thanks.
hothie said: But why is it "better"? To me, mathematically, it's the same. The 5* odds are the same across all of the stores. The number of CP will be the same. I see it like this: Realistically, I hope to get to 500 CP for the AS store. Assuming 25 CP per pull, that's 20 pulls, right? Along the way, I'm earning the CP. So, if I spend 100 at a time in 5 different stores, I still get the same 20 pulls, with the exact same odds of pulling a 5*. The only difference I see is that 20 pulls in the AS should get me more covers of a particular 5*, which I get in 5* land is the focus. But i'm not there yet, nor will I be for quite a while, I think. And even if we go with 1:7 odds, 20 pulls is still an expected value of ~3 5* covers. That's likely to be 1-2 in 2 separate 5* characters, which if I had spent it along the way, is about what I would get anyway.
hothie said: And I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm just trying to fully understand the hoarding mindset and see if it is the right call for me at this moment. It may be later, for sure, but I'm not convinced yet it's the right call for now. I'm just trying to analyze the "what ifs" of the different thought processes. .
Phumade said: hothie said: And I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm just trying to fully understand the hoarding mindset and see if it is the right call for me at this moment. It may be later, for sure, but I'm not convinced yet it's the right call for now. I'm just trying to analyze the "what ifs" of the different thought processes. . The is the main things to keep in mind.the mega hoards > 7000cp are purposeful strategies to get to 550 for specific chars. One thing to keep in mind is that there is special case 5* cover swaps for these Uber whales. I’ll let them goto into details later how ll 550 swaps work. In addition, these players generally has an establish 5* playstyle and position in their br. So they are already well established players who understand the limits of what their roster is. They are usually well known grinders who are looking to out the cherry on top of the mpq sundaehoards around 3k 4K are just trying to make sure they can CHAMP in one pull session. Don’t forget this nugget was established early in5* history. So it was extremely important to get to450. And not risk allowing a ll to slip to classics.so your right to say pulls are the same whether it’s now or in 3 weeks. But the timing and clustering of when you harvest the 5* matters a lot in terms of first, champing and 2nd growing the 5*to a viable level.if your confident on you cp acquire rates, you can certainly open ll as you and still end up at the same place as a”mini hoarder”but the super hoarders are trying first to get a current set to 550 and use the balance to fix other holes in the 5* roster
Sekilicious said: When should one start hoarding? Is there a generally accepted timeframe?
Sekilicious said: I guess I didn’t phrase my question correctly. When did you guys start hoarding? I’m interested in personal reasoning, mostly. If anyone is willing to share.
entrailbucket said: You should hoard if you want to be competitive/win stuff, and you don't want to spend a ton of money to accomplish that. Hoarding is the way to achieve that goal, if that's your goal.However, you should make sure that's actually your goal. You can't beat this game. It doesn't end, and it doesn't ever get easier. As your roster gets stronger the game gets harder, and the other players you're competing with get even more competitive. You have to work harder to keep your place.A lot of people hoard and optimize because they've heard that's the only way to play. It's not. It's the only way to compete. Before you decide to play that way, make sure that competition is what you want, because once you get on the treadmill there's no getting off. Many players end up dissatisfied with the grind and come to resent the game because they thought building a better roster would somehow free them from the grind. This is just not true -- the more you improve, the more grind there is. Make sure you have a personal goal, you know which parts of the game you find fun, and then choose a strategy that supports that goal and will make playing fun for you. Don't choose a strategy that supports someone else's goal because they told you it's the only way.
Sekilicious said: Yeah, I have about 40 4* either champed or waiting iso. I know some would hoard now, others would wait, and some would never hoard. I doubt there is a truly optimal path. I am thinking of doing what holthie suggested and hoarding cp for about 50 pulls for the next Kitty store. I also want to roster all the 5* so I’m hesitant to stop with the classic store all together