Vhailorx said: And, of course, 4* tier is dead and additional player/dev time spent there is wasted.
GrimSkald said: Vhailorx said: MrEd95 said: Vhailorx said: And, of course, 4* tier is dead and additional player/dev time spent there is wasted. I think Polaris would like a word, and until a week ago, so would Bishop.it really just depends on the kit of a 4*, as some of them can really compete at the 5* level This is an old argument. I am not saying that all 4*s are bad. Just that additional time/money spent on making (for devs) or collecting (for players) new 4*s offers a vanishingly small return. New 4*s are either useless because theybare redundant in a tier of 100+ (like this character, or misty, or anti-venom) or sufficiently powerful as to render all other 4*s useless. That's a bad deal for players either way. The problem is at this time the 4* is the "normal" tier for releases, 5* is the "high" tier for releases. The rate at which you can cover the character supports this - speaking for myself (a 5* player who gets all the progression and some of the placement,) I generally finish a 4* character quickly after it's featured, and a 5* character we before it's out of LL. If they released exclusively 5*s, I'm pretty sure I couldn't keep up. Honestly, no one but serious spenders probably could, and that's undesirable.In order to make the 5* tier the "normal" tier (and then presumably introduce a 6* tier, which is something I would not look forward to,) they need to drastically increase how many 5* covers drop. Alternatively, they can just stop launching characters on the 4* weeks and simply launch 5* characters every month. They seem extremely reluctant to do either.
Vhailorx said: MrEd95 said: Vhailorx said: And, of course, 4* tier is dead and additional player/dev time spent there is wasted. I think Polaris would like a word, and until a week ago, so would Bishop.it really just depends on the kit of a 4*, as some of them can really compete at the 5* level This is an old argument. I am not saying that all 4*s are bad. Just that additional time/money spent on making (for devs) or collecting (for players) new 4*s offers a vanishingly small return. New 4*s are either useless because theybare redundant in a tier of 100+ (like this character, or misty, or anti-venom) or sufficiently powerful as to render all other 4*s useless. That's a bad deal for players either way.
MrEd95 said: Vhailorx said: And, of course, 4* tier is dead and additional player/dev time spent there is wasted. I think Polaris would like a word, and until a week ago, so would Bishop.it really just depends on the kit of a 4*, as some of them can really compete at the 5* level
HoundofShadow said: Talking about Charged Tiles, I think it will be interesting if some future character can capitalise on a charged board meta. For example, opponents don't gain any ap if that match contains a charged tile.
DAZ0273 said: The same argument holds for Rocket Raccoon - for the first 30 years of his existence he appeared in 10 comic books in total! So pretty much inconsequential to MU history. Groot? Created in 1960 then appeared twice and didn't appear again until 2006!But yeah, we can agree to disagree.
Mr_F said: DAZ0273 said: The same argument holds for Rocket Raccoon - for the first 30 years of his existence he appeared in 10 comic books in total! So pretty much inconsequential to MU history. Groot? Created in 1960 then appeared twice and didn't appear again until 2006!But yeah, we can agree to disagree. Not really. Negasonic apperead in comics once in 2001. Then she apperead during Necrosha in 2009-2010. Then in 2016 in Merc for Money. According to wiki: total of appereanced 24.Rocket has over 350 appereances. His 1st was in 1982. In Groot cases there are some problems how to count him. If we go for worst scenario for him and treat him as two characters - original Groot and "Guardian Groot", then Guardian Groot has almost 300 appereances. In latter cases, in ~10years. Negasonic in 20 yearsSo Negasonic is a minor character. Rocket & Groot are not a minor. Whether they are major or not, we can debate. I think rather not.Basically: we are talking about adding to MPQ character who's number of appereances I can count on 1 A5 paper sheet.Before Red Skull. And Hank Pym. And list go on. So I have full right to not liking it very much in every bit of myself.
You mentioned the Wrecking Crew earlier as being important relevant characters - to me they are nobodies, canon fodder. YMMV which is why quantifying what makes one character major and another minor is not so easy. Geez - I mean X-Force even made Boom Boom relevant *shudders*
Mr_F said:So when I see Negasonic coming to MPQ before Red Skull or Wrecking Crew or Hank Pym
Mr_F said: And that is a problem: judging releveance/importance of a character by its games/movies/whatever appereances but forgetting the original source material: comic books. Wrecking Crew may be a cannon fodder for heroes but are more established (as of today) than Negasonic. Once again: AS OF TODAY'S state of the matter.It is not important what status will have Negasonic in 10 years. Today, she is nobody in Marvel Universe. Less appereance than Marvel movies in total.Even if we skip Wrecking Crew. What about about Red Skull. Baron Zemo. Henry Pym. Kang. Absorbing Man. Black Knight. Crystal. Enchantress. Annihilus. Grim Reaper. Hercules. Jocasta. Klaw. Leader. Mantis. Tigra. And list go on. I skipped few dozen of less know but still established characters. What we've got? Negasonic. I have full right to be even a bit upset.If you preffer me to say it in better example: Adding Negasonic to game is like adding my brother's father in law into a soccer encyclopedia before adding... lets say Zidane or Iniesta. All because he played few official matches which compared to history of all soccer means nothing or very little at best
BriMan2222 said: Like it or not, to make money on these characters (which is their goal) they need to appeal to the broadest audience, which is the casual fan. You are entitled to be upset, but I can totally understand why they would pick negasonic over all those others.
Mr_F said: BriMan2222 said: Like it or not, to make money on these characters (which is their goal) they need to appeal to the broadest audience, which is the casual fan. You are entitled to be upset, but I can totally understand why they would pick negasonic over all those others. True as hell. Saddest part of it.
Vhailorx said: Mr_F said: BriMan2222 said: Like it or not, to make money on these characters (which is their goal) they need to appeal to the broadest audience, which is the casual fan. You are entitled to be upset, but I can totally understand why they would pick negasonic over all those others. True as hell. Saddest part of it. I get that lowest-common-denominator product can be frustrating for invested fans. But at the same time, Marvel as a whole benefits massively from the broad appeal that it now has thanks to the MCU (and the Fox/Sony movies too). We should probably keep that fact in mind too. . .
Mr_F said: Vhailorx said: Mr_F said: BriMan2222 said: Like it or not, to make money on these characters (which is their goal) they need to appeal to the broadest audience, which is the casual fan. You are entitled to be upset, but I can totally understand why they would pick negasonic over all those others. True as hell. Saddest part of it. I get that lowest-common-denominator product can be frustrating for invested fans. But at the same time, Marvel as a whole benefits massively from the broad appeal that it now has thanks to the MCU (and the Fox/Sony movies too). We should probably keep that fact in mind too. . . I AM squeezing my butt about the fact that for me we still are waiting for "true" Fury, Vulture or Mordo - the ones we have for me are "impostors" from MCU. So ya know, I am VERY aware. The fact that it is just alternate dimension Earth helps a bit.Also despite all the good MCU did to Marvel, it is an example of what it did the other way. I mean, "real" Nick Fury is not black. Vulture has green cotume and is old man, Vision has different image. etc. But "people" will recognise MCU versions as "true"/"correct" ones.
pheregas said: I'm sorry, but it looks like they kinda phoned it in on that artwork.
Mr_F said:It is not important what status will have Negasonic in 10 years. Today, she is nobody in Marvel Universe. Less appereance than Marvel movies in total....What we've got? Negasonic. I have full right to be even a bit upset.
Bryan Lambert said: Mr_F said:It is not important what status will have Negasonic in 10 years. Today, she is nobody in Marvel Universe. Less appereance than Marvel movies in total....What we've got? Negasonic. I have full right to be even a bit upset. Fun fact. I have LOTS of Marvel toys. I’ve only ever pre-ordered ONE. That toy? Negasonic Teenage Warhead. So for every bit of upset you are, I’m 10x as many bits happy. Isn’t it funny how individual perceptions of a character’s relative “importance’ are/
Bryan Lambert saidOh, one other thing. Assuming you’re not, like, super-racist, maybe find a way to express your sentiment besides “The correct Nick Fury is white”, because that sounds, well, super duper racist.