Daredevil217 said: This one is tough. Meta being what it is, I probably wouldn’t transition with either trio. Apoc is too slow without an accelerator like Thor/BRB. But I would definitely want him max-covered for when I do transition. I feel like these three would be eaten alive by Hulkoye, BRBitty, teams and it wouldn’t be a fun experience. I do think Onslaught/Apoc could take out Bishop teams though, especially with a starting match-4. As for Yelena vs. Killy, that one is tough. Killmonger is better for a newer player because his damage output is so much higher than Yelena’s. He can nuke on both red and purple, and add crits to the board. Whereas Yelena does the small chip damage and AP manipulation. In a vacuum or if I could only have one, I’d take Killmonger. However, Yelena is pretty much an ideal pair with Apocalypse. She has the single most useful skill between her and Killmonger (the red passive) and has no active overlap with Apoc. Adding Onslaught creates a perfect rainbow with only purple overlap b/w Yelena and Onslaught. Killmonger overlaps both purple and red.This is very similar to Havok vs. Carnage. Havok is the better damage stick, so a better solo character. While Carnage is more unique and is thus seen on more teams. Killmonger (like Havok) is one that is really good, but becomes less effective the wider your 5* roster gets, as there’s not enough to set him apart from other damage sticks. Yelena’s red will make sure she always has a use while Killmonger’s crit tile “niche” is more of a “cool if it works out” rather than something you can build upon. If you want the character that will be the best for your roster as it develops and the one that pairs best with the other two characters, I’d go Yelena and not look back.
Akroma said: so basically apoc is no good by himself also all other good 5* would also need thor - beta? that means for new players it would be too hard to get to 5*, only by special store 300 cp pulls? thank you for the info edit: if he decides for yelena apoc ons, should he bonus yelena just in case? or go for apoc bonus in case he gets lucky and get like 5 or 6 covers on the other 2 heroes and 13 on apoc, so he just stops pulling and saves cp and lts,for a new future hero, while getting apoc?
BlackBoltRocks said: Akroma said: so basically apoc is no good by himself also all other good 5* would also need thor - beta? that means for new players it would be too hard to get to 5*, only by special store 300 cp pulls? thank you for the info edit: if he decides for yelena apoc ons, should he bonus yelena just in case? or go for apoc bonus in case he gets lucky and get like 5 or 6 covers on the other 2 heroes and 13 on apoc, so he just stops pulling and saves cp and lts,for a new future hero, while getting apoc? so basically apoc is no good by himself He's good, but slow to get going by himself. Let's assume you have him at 3/5/5. His Black only does damage when there are friendly Protect tiles (which Bill instantly creates). In order for Poccy to create his own Protects, you either have to a) double-cast his Black or b) set up with his Yellow.For a), that requires 14 Black AP. And even then, you only get 3 hits (again, Poccy is at 3/5/5). And if you didn't use his Yellow prior, you won't get the bonus damage.For b), you need 7 Yellow. Then you need to hope at least 2 Repeaters survive the next two turns, so that Poccy can create at least 4 Protect tiles. And even then, you need 7 Black to take advantage of that.that means for new players it would be too hard to get to 5*, only by special store 300 cp pulls? It's almost always been like this. Save up ~300 pulls for Latests, or wait for a special store featuring a character you want to cover.if he decides for yelena apoc ons, should he bonus yelena just in case? or go for apoc bonus in case he gets lucky and get like 5 or 6 covers on the other 2 heroes and 13 on apoc, so he just stops pulling and saves cp and lts,for a new future hero, while getting apoc? See how he pulls as he goes along. E.g. If he gets a bunch of Poccy covers, then of course switch sharts to Yelena.Of course, he can always wait to see who the next 5* is. Assuming the next 5* is after Misty, that 5* will be announced on 28 July, and numbers will be revealed on 30 July. By then, Killmonger will have replaced Yelena though.
jp1 said: Apoc is strong, there are 4 stars that can pair well with him due to his yellow. Yelena and Peggy will be helpful in SCL 10, Nico can sub in for Kitty at this level of play.Its a pretty big gamble hoping for something better soon. Of course the next 5 out could be meta, but they have had a pretty decent string of good/great characters lately so I wouldn’t hold my breath.Mixing with 4, I stand by the recommendation to pull now. Put as many levels on Apoc as possible. It’s a pretty versatile group with a lot of niche uses as well as being fairly strong. You could do much worse.
Akroma said: so basically apoc is no good by himself
Daredevil217 said: Akroma said: so basically apoc is no good by himself I wouldn’t say that at all. My statement was more about the 5* game in general and how now is not the best time to transition in an un-fun meta full of slow slogs and healthpack killers as opponents. At some point, those will be the only teams he can drum up, and your friend will be getting hit by them often because he is not running them himself.Apocalypse is actually one of the better (maybe the best?) standalone 5. So he’s for sure good alone. The problem is the game requires teams of 3. So while Poc is great on his own, and plays very well with many others, I think he’s not the best matchup for the current meta teams (sans Bishop). At least not without proper partners. So I just assume 4* PVP is probably more fun than 5*. If he’s looking to improve in PVE, absolutely take the leap!I’m even stronger in the Yelena camp after today. I wrecked both the final/hard nodes yesterday and today with her in the third slot for Welcome to Shield. The opponents tend to have higher cost powers, so she can make sure they are mostly (or completely in the case of yesterday) hitting you with just match damage. Since the opposing team is always the same in Shield Training, having Yelena will pay dividends as beating those nodes = a Legendary pull. So that’s some pretty big value even on a roster as wide as mine (39 5* champs).
Akroma said: Daredevil217 said: Akroma said: so basically apoc is no good by himself I wouldn’t say that at all. My statement was more about the 5* game in general and how now is not the best time to transition in an un-fun meta full of slow slogs and healthpack killers as opponents. At some point, those will be the only teams he can drum up, and your friend will be getting hit by them often because he is not running them himself.Apocalypse is actually one of the better (maybe the best?) standalone 5. So he’s for sure good alone. The problem is the game requires teams of 3. So while Poc is great on his own, and plays very well with many others, I think he’s not the best matchup for the current meta teams (sans Bishop). At least not without proper partners. So I just assume 4* PVP is probably more fun than 5*. If he’s looking to improve in PVE, absolutely take the leap!I’m even stronger in the Yelena camp after today. I wrecked both the final/hard nodes yesterday and today with her in the third slot for Welcome to Shield. The opponents tend to have higher cost powers, so she can make sure they are mostly (or completely in the case of yesterday) hitting you with just match damage. Since the opposing team is always the same in Shield Training, having Yelena will pay dividends as beating those nodes = a Legendary pull. So that’s some pretty big value even on a roster as wide as mine (39 5* champs). tyvm for the info. i have only 1 more question i hope you can see this in time when will yelenea leave LL?thanks
Daredevil217 said: Akroma said: Daredevil217 said: Akroma said: so basically apoc is no good by himself I wouldn’t say that at all. My statement was more about the 5* game in general and how now is not the best time to transition in an un-fun meta full of slow slogs and healthpack killers as opponents. At some point, those will be the only teams he can drum up, and your friend will be getting hit by them often because he is not running them himself.Apocalypse is actually one of the better (maybe the best?) standalone 5. So he’s for sure good alone. The problem is the game requires teams of 3. So while Poc is great on his own, and plays very well with many others, I think he’s not the best matchup for the current meta teams (sans Bishop). At least not without proper partners. So I just assume 4* PVP is probably more fun than 5*. If he’s looking to improve in PVE, absolutely take the leap!I’m even stronger in the Yelena camp after today. I wrecked both the final/hard nodes yesterday and today with her in the third slot for Welcome to Shield. The opponents tend to have higher cost powers, so she can make sure they are mostly (or completely in the case of yesterday) hitting you with just match damage. Since the opposing team is always the same in Shield Training, having Yelena will pay dividends as beating those nodes = a Legendary pull. So that’s some pretty big value even on a roster as wide as mine (39 5* champs). tyvm for the info. i have only 1 more question i hope you can see this in time when will yelenea leave LL?thanks Most likely on Monday (27th).