optimus2861 said: Projectus2501 said: Just watch that power creep please... I'm sorry, but 80K health, cheap multi-hit powers, damage boosting, ludicrous synergy with Bishop and/or BRB.. this isn't power creep, it's power super-duper-boosting!Did I miss if anyone pointed out that Apoc + BRB means that casting Apoc's black at just 7 AP should also generate 4 green + 4 blue for Bill? So you do ludicrous multi-hit damage and gain useful AP to whack someone with Bill's blue nuke and get ready to do it again?Yeesh.
Projectus2501 said: Just watch that power creep please...
HoundofShadow said: Time to load up on Punisher's retribution. There are already existing 5* who can deal with enemy SAP tiles or protect tiles. It's up to the players to decide whether they want to use them.
fight4thedream said: HoundofShadow said: Time to load up on Punisher's retribution. There are already existing 5* who can deal with enemy SAP tiles or protect tiles. It's up to the players to decide whether they want to use them. It would be more fruitful if you could explain which characters you believe will be effective against an Apocalypse + Beta team and what strategies you expect to use against them. I'm genuinely interested and would like to know what other players are thinking will make a strong counter.
ThaRoadWarrior said:
I don't believe Kitty is in fact any sort of anti-BRB scarecrow. It's way too easy to get multiple CDs in play, it takes her too long to get moving. On top of that, if you bring your own Apocalypse, she doesnt' have any defense against repeaters unless they are matchable. What she does is make it very painful to punch through the protects, which is a problem Apocalypse won't have for 7 red. And her health is probably going to be lower than BRB's, so if you want to start with +4 to red, make a single red match, and on turn 2 you can stomp her out of play pretty fast using your own Apocalypse, she won't matter much.
bluewolf said: RickOShay said: ABetalypse?Billpocalypse? "Death" will do.
RickOShay said: ABetalypse?Billpocalypse?
ThaRoadWarrior said: brb isnt a mutant, so in pick 2 the stunability (or not) of Apocalypse is going to hinge completely on whether or not the required 3rd has that tag. BRBishop is going to be your counter here, or Bishocalypse perhaps.I think you'll see a lot of Apocalypse/Profe$$or X teams attempt it, since Apocalypse's red is both cheaper and ostensibly better than Havok's protect-ignoring red. As a counter, this team would be even better if Apocalypse had the X-Men affiliation like some other x villains do, so you could use Xavier Protocols to delay his ability to fire off his yellow and BRB's green.In pick-3, It may be worth the attempt to try X/Havok/Phoenix to see if Xavier Protocols can help you - just leaning into whatever you can do to feed red while hoping Xavier Protocols will save your bacon. If Apocalypse does just about anything though, this team has fairly low health. Or if you want the match to take forever you might be able to overwhelm the board with BRB/Carbage - if there just isn't any room for them to put their own protects down, I guess you're safe? It doesn't take that long to get there really.I have to say, it's good to see this villain seeming like dire threat, but man this threat is dire lol. He's dangerous on every color...