PuceMoose said: I did so here for the first $50 Kitty shards offer (the one that offered enough shards for a full cover). Since then I haven't spent any money on shard bundles, though I have dropped about 5k HP total on various shard purchases when they were offered in the shard shop.
Daredevil217 said: I’ve said this before, but for me, shards promotes more hoarding. More hoarding leads to less spending.
Jacklag said: I entered this discussion thinking it would be about spending tokens. Money, I don't se how shard might have an impact.
Vhailorx said: Daredevil217 said: I’ve said this before, but for me, shards promotes more hoarding. More hoarding leads to less spending. This is very true for me. I never know which 4* I will want to prioritize (because it will very much depend on which 5*s I am trying to feed), so opening as I go is less attractive than ever. And when hoarding aggressively, I don't think it makes a lot of sense for me to spend much on other offers.
blankcanvas said: Daredevil217 said: Vhailorx said: Daredevil217 said: I’ve said this before, but for me, shards promotes more hoarding. More hoarding leads to less spending. This is very true for me. I never know which 4* I will want to prioritize (because it will very much depend on which 5*s I am trying to feed), so opening as I go is less attractive than ever. And when hoarding aggressively, I don't think it makes a lot of sense for me to spend much on other offers. Yeah for me it is which 5 to chase via feeders or if I’ll need a cover for shield training. Currently I have 259 Heroics, 2 ten packs, 11 mighty tokens, and 64 PVP event tokens stockpiled. So... enough shards there for TWO covers lol. That seems crazy low for the amount I've stockpiled. I also have I believe over 200 each of standard/elites (no idea why, just stopped opening) and over 300 of each taco vault. If this doesn't prove we're exponentially worse off post BH, I don't know what does.
Daredevil217 said: Vhailorx said: Daredevil217 said: I’ve said this before, but for me, shards promotes more hoarding. More hoarding leads to less spending. This is very true for me. I never know which 4* I will want to prioritize (because it will very much depend on which 5*s I am trying to feed), so opening as I go is less attractive than ever. And when hoarding aggressively, I don't think it makes a lot of sense for me to spend much on other offers. Yeah for me it is which 5 to chase via feeders or if I’ll need a cover for shield training. Currently I have 259 Heroics, 2 ten packs, 11 mighty tokens, and 64 PVP event tokens stockpiled. So... enough shards there for TWO covers lol. That seems crazy low for the amount I've stockpiled. I also have I believe over 200 each of standard/elites (no idea why, just stopped opening) and over 300 of each taco vault.
tiomono said: blankcanvas said: Daredevil217 said: Vhailorx said: Daredevil217 said: I’ve said this before, but for me, shards promotes more hoarding. More hoarding leads to less spending. This is very true for me. I never know which 4* I will want to prioritize (because it will very much depend on which 5*s I am trying to feed), so opening as I go is less attractive than ever. And when hoarding aggressively, I don't think it makes a lot of sense for me to spend much on other offers. Yeah for me it is which 5 to chase via feeders or if I’ll need a cover for shield training. Currently I have 259 Heroics, 2 ten packs, 11 mighty tokens, and 64 PVP event tokens stockpiled. So... enough shards there for TWO covers lol. That seems crazy low for the amount I've stockpiled. I also have I believe over 200 each of standard/elites (no idea why, just stopped opening) and over 300 of each taco vault. If this doesn't prove we're exponentially worse off post BH, I don't know what does. Part of my issue with this thinking always goes back to the rng of bonus heros. We can say how many bonus heros we should get from opening "x" tokens. If someone had a bad streak people would offer comfort and say it will even out eventually.My question is how long is the eventually? Is it with 1000 pulls? 1 million? 5 million? 1 billion? No player knows that data. If your pulls for tokens are generated randomly across 10 million pulls you could be that poor slob that got blasted into oblivion and have your full percentage of 5* pulls be in the last 15% of that 10 million. But hey it evens out eventually right? With shards you know exactly how much progress you get on every token you open. Every player gets equal results from every token from the word go. That to me is worth the "perceived" loss of 20% of your bonus heros you would have gotten. I say percieved because no player knows how large the token spread was to guarantee your rate on bonus heros. The devs however do have that data. For all we know the targeted hero rate is better for the player base as a whole over shorter span of time than bonus heros was.
Vhailorx said: tiomono said: blankcanvas said: Daredevil217 said: Vhailorx said: Daredevil217 said: I’ve said this before, but for me, shards promotes more hoarding. More hoarding leads to less spending. This is very true for me. I never know which 4* I will want to prioritize (because it will very much depend on which 5*s I am trying to feed), so opening as I go is less attractive than ever. And when hoarding aggressively, I don't think it makes a lot of sense for me to spend much on other offers. Yeah for me it is which 5 to chase via feeders or if I’ll need a cover for shield training. Currently I have 259 Heroics, 2 ten packs, 11 mighty tokens, and 64 PVP event tokens stockpiled. So... enough shards there for TWO covers lol. That seems crazy low for the amount I've stockpiled. I also have I believe over 200 each of standard/elites (no idea why, just stopped opening) and over 300 of each taco vault. If this doesn't prove we're exponentially worse off post BH, I don't know what does. Part of my issue with this thinking always goes back to the rng of bonus heros. We can say how many bonus heros we should get from opening "x" tokens. If someone had a bad streak people would offer comfort and say it will even out eventually.My question is how long is the eventually? Is it with 1000 pulls? 1 million? 5 million? 1 billion? No player knows that data. If your pulls for tokens are generated randomly across 10 million pulls you could be that poor slob that got blasted into oblivion and have your full percentage of 5* pulls be in the last 15% of that 10 million. But hey it evens out eventually right? With shards you know exactly how much progress you get on every token you open. Every player gets equal results from every token from the word go. That to me is worth the "perceived" loss of 20% of your bonus heros you would have gotten. I say percieved because no player knows how large the token spread was to guarantee your rate on bonus heros. The devs however do have that data. For all we know the targeted hero rate is better for the player base as a whole over shorter span of time than bonus heros was. No, tiomono, it's a real loss of 20% for the playerbase. Across the whole game, demi is giving out 20% fewer covers. That's why they implemented shards this way. Sure, there is some individual variation, but for any player who opens enough tokens for this system to actually matter (i.e. long time vets well into 4* land), they should be pretty close to the target rates. (Also, your question is not unknowable. I am not enough of a statistician to do the math quickly, but it should be easy enough for someone who is to calculate "after X pulls at the stated BH rates, 95% of players should be at the target rate +/- 2%". I would guess that several thousand pulls should be sufficient to get the vast majority of players very close to the target.) And while fixing the downside of RNG is valuable for players, I don't think it is worth losing 20% of from the BH rate AND all the lost champion rewards.