The rockett said: IceIX said: The rockett said: @IceIX does this mean feeders are dead and we will not get anymore? No, and... not dead. Champion Rewards updates are not coming with this launch, but the Shards system impacts them, which is why feeders have kind of halted for the moment. Thank you for being honest with this since Feeders have been a huge hot button. At least we have an answer, even if we do not agree with it. As others have pointed out, Shards will be a lower rate than BH which isn’t good. Any reasoning behind that?
IceIX said: The rockett said: @IceIX does this mean feeders are dead and we will not get anymore? No, and... not dead. Champion Rewards updates are not coming with this launch, but the Shards system impacts them, which is why feeders have kind of halted for the moment.
The rockett said: @IceIX does this mean feeders are dead and we will not get anymore?
IceIX said: The rockett said: IceIX said: The rockett said: @IceIX does this mean feeders are dead and we will not get anymore? No, and... not dead. Champion Rewards updates are not coming with this launch, but the Shards system impacts them, which is why feeders have kind of halted for the moment. Thank you for being honest with this since Feeders have been a huge hot button. At least we have an answer, even if we do not agree with it. As others have pointed out, Shards will be a lower rate than BH which isn’t good. Any reasoning behind that? Statistically on say, Legendaries, about 33% of players would fail to pull a single BH from 167 pulls. Some of those players that pull a BH would pull a cover they don't need. With this system, 100% of players get the character and cover they want (assuming they've fav'd one character anyway).This also is just in regards to pulls. As stated towards the end, the Shards will be rolled out elsewhere in the game. So you won't just be gaining Shards from pulls, you'll get them from progressions, or placements, or Champ Rewards, or whatever, which, if you're looking for 5s currently is not the case.
Dogface said: If i'm reading this correctly, if you pull a LT, you get 3 5* shards PLUS 15 4* shards, which means you're working on two targeted heroes at the same time. That would change the math.
The rockett said: IceIX said: The rockett said: IceIX said: The rockett said: @IceIX does this mean feeders are dead and we will not get anymore? No, and... not dead. Champion Rewards updates are not coming with this launch, but the Shards system impacts them, which is why feeders have kind of halted for the moment. Thank you for being honest with this since Feeders have been a huge hot button. At least we have an answer, even if we do not agree with it. As others have pointed out, Shards will be a lower rate than BH which isn’t good. Any reasoning behind that? Statistically on say, Legendaries, about 33% of players would fail to pull a single BH from 167 pulls. Some of those players that pull a BH would pull a cover they don't need. With this system, 100% of players get the character and cover they want (assuming they've fav'd one character anyway).This also is just in regards to pulls. As stated towards the end, the Shards will be rolled out elsewhere in the game. So you won't just be gaining Shards from pulls, you'll get them from progressions, or placements, or Champ Rewards, or whatever, which, if you're looking for 5s currently is not the case. Ok. If i am understanding this, the “reduction” of shard rate compared to BH is because there will be other NON- monetary ways to earn them. If this could be PVE, PVP, SIM, champ rewards etc. This almost seems a little like CPs being in other parts of the game. Will you be able to get/earn 3*/4*/5* shards in these other parts of the game? Just want to make sure all levels will be earnable. .
jp1 said: Dogface said: Isn't the chance for a BH something like 5%? With a 1 in 7 chance for a 5*, that's a chance of 1 in 140 for a 5* BH. With 3 shards per Legendary/Classic pull, you need a bit more pulls (around 166), but that's without shards you might pick up otherways. Plus, as said, you get to pick your color. Ever purchase a 40 pack and get 4 or 5 bonus 4* toons? Say goodbye to those days. Same for 3s.What about getting a run of 5* BH (in this case meaning more than one) while a much wanted character was in packs? Also gone.
Dogface said: Isn't the chance for a BH something like 5%? With a 1 in 7 chance for a 5*, that's a chance of 1 in 140 for a 5* BH. With 3 shards per Legendary/Classic pull, you need a bit more pulls (around 166), but that's without shards you might pick up otherways. Plus, as said, you get to pick your color.
St_Bernadus said: When does this come into the game? When is R 191 going to be available?
RickOShay said: jp1 said: Dogface said: Isn't the chance for a BH something like 5%? With a 1 in 7 chance for a 5*, that's a chance of 1 in 140 for a 5* BH. With 3 shards per Legendary/Classic pull, you need a bit more pulls (around 166), but that's without shards you might pick up otherways. Plus, as said, you get to pick your color. Ever purchase a 40 pack and get 4 or 5 bonus 4* toons? Say goodbye to those days. Same for 3s.What about getting a run of 5* BH (in this case meaning more than one) while a much wanted character was in packs? Also gone. Even if you ran hot with your odds during your example. your lifetime expectations will fall right in line with the stats. Therefore, it may not feel like an improvement, but I assure you that choosing a specific color will outweigh your concerns in the long run.
IceIX said: Dogface said: If i'm reading this correctly, if you pull a LT, you get 3 5* shards PLUS 15 4* shards, which means you're working on two targeted heroes at the same time. That would change the math. Correct.
Daredevil217 said: Also, I love asking “are feeders ever updating?” and not answering it, despite the fact that it’s a legit question that people have asked a ton on these here official forums over and again. I don’t know if that was trolling, but if so, well done. If I was doing PR I wouldn’t mention it at all if I wasn’t going to address it, as it just conjures memories of “no obvious connection” and “special (not special) occasions”
So with the new system, you'd need to open 167 legendary tokens to get enough shards to unlock one 5* cover of a chosen colour. At the same time, you'd get enough shards to unlock 6.26 4* covers of a chosen colour.
Under the current bonus hero system, opening 167 legendary tokens will on average result in 1.25 bonus 5* covers of a random colour, and 7.10 bonus 4* covers of a random cover.
So it is probably slightly better if you were using bonus heroes to get a character up to 13 covers (or level 209 for SHIELD Training), but slightly worse if you were using them to gain champion levels on a character.