Magic: the Gathering Puzzle Quest, or Call Them the Whitewatch

wereotter · March 2019

NinjaE said:

This has very little to do with MPQ and more to do with MtG, as Wizards determines what cards are printed. If you have complaints about distribution in cards, you really should take them to Wizards of the Coast.

It's a little of both. Many of the current, recurring (that's the key part) planeswalkers are white, and most recently they've beeen majority female with Liliana, Nissa, and Chandra as your main female characters, and Liliana, Jace, Gideon being white.

Wizards did create a pair of planeswalkers with Standard legality in China only and cards released in both China and NA, but this pair of walkers weren't translated into PQ, possibly because the devs viewed them as being from a supplementary product despite having standard legality. The art throughout both their decks are so nice, though, I do hope they release them as an upcoming duel deck event. For those unaware, I'm referring to Jiang Yanggu and Mu Yanling.

Image: http://cards.magiccardprices.info/GS1/Mu%20Yanling.jpg

Also while this was 100% not expected to be translated into the game, Wizards also created Aminatou as a planewalker in the Commander 2018 product, who has been confirmed to be from a plane very much like subsaharan Africa.

OmegaLolrus · March 2019

FindingHeart8 said:

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FindingHeart8 said:

Generally the developers of mtg are pretty progressive and put efforts into representing minority groups. There's a transgender legendary hero in mtg, heroes of every ethnicity, almost every pirate in Ixalan was a female, I can go on but I think everyone gets the point.

The original accusation of this topic is very inaccurate.

And the one pirate character that wasn't a female was a freaking minotaur. But, out of curiosity, I broke it down. These may not add up to 100% because of rounding, but they're close enough for the internet:
White People: 48% (I counted Tezzeret in there, even though I think he's more a darker olive skinned individual. Same with Vraska.)
Super White People: 4% (Wow, never realized that the group that sealed the Eldrazi away was pretty much Pale Force.)
Black People: 12% (I apologize for lumping Ob Nixilis in here, but I don't think he deserved his own category. And he is about as black as they come... But I feel like Samut and Teferi, being as bad-tinykitty as they are, balance that jerk's influence out.)
Blue People: 4% (That'll go up when Dovin, the Grand Arbiter inevitably hits, too.)
Shiny, Shiny Silver People: 2% (Poor Karn... all by himself.)
Native American People: 4% (I mean, seriously. At least Huatli has... herself... to keep herself company, I guess.)
Indian People: 8% (Saheeli and the Chandras... I realize she's fairer skinned, but she got her dad's looks and her mom's bad-arsitude.)
Chinese People: 6% (Sure, it's just Sarkhan, but he's nuts... He'll do a better job keeping himself company than Huatli will.)
Cat People: 6% (All Ajani... love that dude. He may be alone, but he probably grates his own cheese on those abs.)
Evil Dragon People: 4% (Stupid Bolas... he deserves to be alone. Bigger jerk than Obby.)
Good Dragon People: 0% (We got Sarkhan, Unbroken, could we pretty please get Bolas' much less handsome twin brother, please?)
Evil Colorless Abomination People: 2% (Ew... all the... the tentacles and... Yech. I didn't feel like Karn deserved to be lumped along with this pile of yuck.)
That's out of a total of 47 'walkers in the game. So what have I taken away from this? Well, strictly speaking of the Planeswalkers, the author of the article isn't 100% wrong. Could they use a little bit more varied representation? Sure. But there are a lot of really awesome characters that aren't Planeswalkers that represent a lot of really awesome cultures.
Also, please, please, please, Karn Liberated and Ugin, the Spirit Dragon? I don't care about their stats half a tinykitty, but I love those characters.
...
...man, I'm writing a lot of novels today on the forums.

Interesting analysis! Thanks for taking the time to do that, though I'm definitely going to debate you on Tezzeret being even close to white. His art from the beginning had him mixed or black

Vraskas ethnicity is open to interpretation lol

Oh, I 100% agree with you, I was just trying to be as pessimistic as I could think to be on assigning them to an ethnicity other than white. I think the lightest skin tone argument you could make for Tezzeret is "olive-skinned" at the lightest. But some of the artwork has made him look fairer skinned than others.

NinjaE said:

This has very little to do with MPQ and more to do with MtG, as Wizards determines what cards are printed. If you have complaints about distribution in cards, you really should take them to Wizards of the Coast.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm not saying there's a huge problem in representation on either side between Wizards and D3, but I think we're more talking about which characters that D3 has chosen to bring forth in Puzzle Quest.

For example. Sarkhan, Unbroken. Why did we get a third Sarkhan (three men total), instead of Narset Transcendant (so we'd have two men and a woman), who's from the same block? Yes, she wouldn't have been as interesting (she's white-blue, whereas Sarkhan Unbroken is a unique collection of colors to the game), but would have been so much easier to implement, taking into account balance concerns.

Of course, this also ignores any mandate from Wizards (we just put out Sarkhan in Core 2019 as the red planeswalker, play up some marketing synergy with that). Could even be something as simple as, "Guys, I have an awesome idea for Sarkhan, Unbroken, check this out!"

But now I'm definitely rambling. All I'm trying to say is: I think this is less of an issue than is being made out, but if it is an issue, there is part of it specifically associated with MPQ.

OmegaLolrus · March 2019

Two other points:

Please yes. Please, please yes for Mu and Jiang. Absolutely gorgeous art from that set. I'd love a Duel Decks-style event with those two and the more unique cards from the set.

Also, to the point of Mavren Fein, my initial reading of the story, for whatever reason, kind of cast him in the place of Vona's sidekick. That is... up until Elenda came along and pointed out they'd completely missed the point of the vampirism she espoused. Doing a little bit of poking around, it seems that I grossly over-simplified his part in everything, but that was my initial take away. If it matters at all. It might not.

FindingHeart8 · March 2019

OmegaLolrus said:

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FindingHeart8 said:

OmegaLolrus said:

FindingHeart8 said:

Generally the developers of mtg are pretty progressive and put efforts into representing minority groups. There's a transgender legendary hero in mtg, heroes of every ethnicity, almost every pirate in Ixalan was a female, I can go on but I think everyone gets the point.

The original accusation of this topic is very inaccurate.

And the one pirate character that wasn't a female was a freaking minotaur. But, out of curiosity, I broke it down. These may not add up to 100% because of rounding, but they're close enough for the internet:
White People: 48% (I counted Tezzeret in there, even though I think he's more a darker olive skinned individual. Same with Vraska.)
Super White People: 4% (Wow, never realized that the group that sealed the Eldrazi away was pretty much Pale Force.)
Black People: 12% (I apologize for lumping Ob Nixilis in here, but I don't think he deserved his own category. And he is about as black as they come... But I feel like Samut and Teferi, being as bad-tinykitty as they are, balance that jerk's influence out.)
Blue People: 4% (That'll go up when Dovin, the Grand Arbiter inevitably hits, too.)
Shiny, Shiny Silver People: 2% (Poor Karn... all by himself.)
Native American People: 4% (I mean, seriously. At least Huatli has... herself... to keep herself company, I guess.)
Indian People: 8% (Saheeli and the Chandras... I realize she's fairer skinned, but she got her dad's looks and her mom's bad-arsitude.)
Chinese People: 6% (Sure, it's just Sarkhan, but he's nuts... He'll do a better job keeping himself company than Huatli will.)
Cat People: 6% (All Ajani... love that dude. He may be alone, but he probably grates his own cheese on those abs.)
Evil Dragon People: 4% (Stupid Bolas... he deserves to be alone. Bigger jerk than Obby.)
Good Dragon People: 0% (We got Sarkhan, Unbroken, could we pretty please get Bolas' much less handsome twin brother, please?)
Evil Colorless Abomination People: 2% (Ew... all the... the tentacles and... Yech. I didn't feel like Karn deserved to be lumped along with this pile of yuck.)
That's out of a total of 47 'walkers in the game. So what have I taken away from this? Well, strictly speaking of the Planeswalkers, the author of the article isn't 100% wrong. Could they use a little bit more varied representation? Sure. But there are a lot of really awesome characters that aren't Planeswalkers that represent a lot of really awesome cultures.
Also, please, please, please, Karn Liberated and Ugin, the Spirit Dragon? I don't care about their stats half a tinykitty, but I love those characters.
...
...man, I'm writing a lot of novels today on the forums.

Interesting analysis! Thanks for taking the time to do that, though I'm definitely going to debate you on Tezzeret being even close to white. His art from the beginning had him mixed or black

Vraskas ethnicity is open to interpretation lol

Oh, I 100% agree with you, I was just trying to be as pessimistic as I could think to be on assigning them to an ethnicity other than white. I think the lightest skin tone argument you could make for Tezzeret is "olive-skinned" at the lightest. But some of the artwork has made him look fairer skinned than others.
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NinjaE said:

This has very little to do with MPQ and more to do with MtG, as Wizards determines what cards are printed. If you have complaints about distribution in cards, you really should take them to Wizards of the Coast.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm not saying there's a huge problem in representation on either side between Wizards and D3, but I think we're more talking about which characters that D3 has chosen to bring forth in Puzzle Quest.
For example. Sarkhan, Unbroken. Why did we get a third Sarkhan (three men total), instead of Narset Transcendant (so we'd have two men and a woman), who's from the same block? Yes, she wouldn't have been as interesting (she's white-blue, whereas Sarkhan Unbroken is a unique collection of colors to the game), but would have been so much easier to implement, taking into account balance
But now I'm definitely rambling. All I'm trying to say is: I think this is less of an issue than is being made out, but if it is an issue, there is part of it specifically associated with MPQ.

Yeah I think we're seeing eye to eye for the most part. I have seen some art where Tezzeret is depicted as being lighter complected. Like you said, there's always a variance of artistic results depending on the artist who drew the picture.

I theorize the planeswalkers chosen for mtgpq have more to do with contract regulations with wizards of the coast, and less to do with racial preference.

OmegaLolrus · March 2019

FindingHeart8 said:

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OmegaLolrus said:

FindingHeart8 said:

OmegaLolrus said:

FindingHeart8 said:

Generally the developers of mtg are pretty progressive and put efforts into representing minority groups. There's a transgender legendary hero in mtg, heroes of every ethnicity, almost every pirate in Ixalan was a female, I can go on but I think everyone gets the point.

The original accusation of this topic is very inaccurate.

And the one pirate character that wasn't a female was a freaking minotaur. But, out of curiosity, I broke it down. These may not add up to 100% because of rounding, but they're close enough for the internet:
White People: 48% (I counted Tezzeret in there, even though I think he's more a darker olive skinned individual. Same with Vraska.)
Super White People: 4% (Wow, never realized that the group that sealed the Eldrazi away was pretty much Pale Force.)
Black People: 12% (I apologize for lumping Ob Nixilis in here, but I don't think he deserved his own category. And he is about as black as they come... But I feel like Samut and Teferi, being as bad-tinykitty as they are, balance that jerk's influence out.)
Blue People: 4% (That'll go up when Dovin, the Grand Arbiter inevitably hits, too.)
Shiny, Shiny Silver People: 2% (Poor Karn... all by himself.)
Native American People: 4% (I mean, seriously. At least Huatli has... herself... to keep herself company, I guess.)
Indian People: 8% (Saheeli and the Chandras... I realize she's fairer skinned, but she got her dad's looks and her mom's bad-arsitude.)
Chinese People: 6% (Sure, it's just Sarkhan, but he's nuts... He'll do a better job keeping himself company than Huatli will.)
Cat People: 6% (All Ajani... love that dude. He may be alone, but he probably grates his own cheese on those abs.)
Evil Dragon People: 4% (Stupid Bolas... he deserves to be alone. Bigger jerk than Obby.)
Good Dragon People: 0% (We got Sarkhan, Unbroken, could we pretty please get Bolas' much less handsome twin brother, please?)
Evil Colorless Abomination People: 2% (Ew... all the... the tentacles and... Yech. I didn't feel like Karn deserved to be lumped along with this pile of yuck.)
That's out of a total of 47 'walkers in the game. So what have I taken away from this? Well, strictly speaking of the Planeswalkers, the author of the article isn't 100% wrong. Could they use a little bit more varied representation? Sure. But there are a lot of really awesome characters that aren't Planeswalkers that represent a lot of really awesome cultures.
Also, please, please, please, Karn Liberated and Ugin, the Spirit Dragon? I don't care about their stats half a tinykitty, but I love those characters.
...
...man, I'm writing a lot of novels today on the forums.

Interesting analysis! Thanks for taking the time to do that, though I'm definitely going to debate you on Tezzeret being even close to white. His art from the beginning had him mixed or black

Vraskas ethnicity is open to interpretation lol

Oh, I 100% agree with you, I was just trying to be as pessimistic as I could think to be on assigning them to an ethnicity other than white. I think the lightest skin tone argument you could make for Tezzeret is "olive-skinned" at the lightest. But some of the artwork has made him look fairer skinned than others.

NinjaE said:

This has very little to do with MPQ and more to do with MtG, as Wizards determines what cards are printed. If you have complaints about distribution in cards, you really should take them to Wizards of the Coast.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm not saying there's a huge problem in representation on either side between Wizards and D3, but I think we're more talking about which characters that D3 has chosen to bring forth in Puzzle Quest.
For example. Sarkhan, Unbroken. Why did we get a third Sarkhan (three men total), instead of Narset Transcendant (so we'd have two men and a woman), who's from the same block? Yes, she wouldn't have been as interesting (she's white-blue, whereas Sarkhan Unbroken is a unique collection of colors to the game), but would have been so much easier to implement, taking into account balance
But now I'm definitely rambling. All I'm trying to say is: I think this is less of an issue than is being made out, but if it is an issue, there is part of it specifically associated with MPQ.

Yeah I think we're seeing eye to eye for the most part. I have seen some art where Tezzeret is depicted as being lighter complected. Like you said, there's always a variance of artistic results depending on the artist who drew the picture.

I theorize the planeswalkers chosen for mtgpq have more to do with contract regulations with wizards of the coast, and less to do with racial preference.

Agreed. I think it's a little telling that the vast majority of the planeswalkers already in the game are from Origins and afterward. All I can think of, off the top of my head are Elspeth, the first two iterations of Sarkhan, and Garruk that haven't been in sets since Origins. And Elspeth and Sarkhan were closer to Origins than not.

I would love to see implementation more along the lines of the Eldrazi Desolation, though. They're not planeswalkers, they don't have a spark (though they still move through the Blind Eternities), could we get more characters that are more Commanders than Planeswalkers?

Imagine Admiral Beckett Brass, Commander in Blue/Black/Red that's only able to take cards in her deck from Ixalan (for theme) and Origings (for basic mechanics). I don't care if she was demonstrably the worst planeswalker-analogue in the game, I would play the **** out of that.

But now I'm wishlisting instead of being realistically. I could just as easily see Wizards saying, "No, Eldrazi are the camel's nose at the flap, anything else is the rest of the camel in the tent. We don't want to dilute the Planeswalker concept by adding non-planeswalker characters."

But seriously, I'd love to see that. And a Duel Decks: Mind vs Might for Jhoira of the Ghitu. One Jhoira isn't enough.

wereotter · March 2019

OmegaLolrus said:

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FindingHeart8 said:

OmegaLolrus said:

FindingHeart8 said:

OmegaLolrus said:

FindingHeart8 said:

Generally the developers of mtg are pretty progressive and put efforts into representing minority groups. There's a transgender legendary hero in mtg, heroes of every ethnicity, almost every pirate in Ixalan was a female, I can go on but I think everyone gets the point.

The original accusation of this topic is very inaccurate.

And the one pirate character that wasn't a female was a freaking minotaur. But, out of curiosity, I broke it down. These may not add up to 100% because of rounding, but they're close enough for the internet:
White People: 48% (I counted Tezzeret in there, even though I think he's more a darker olive skinned individual. Same with Vraska.)
Super White People: 4% (Wow, never realized that the group that sealed the Eldrazi away was pretty much Pale Force.)
Black People: 12% (I apologize for lumping Ob Nixilis in here, but I don't think he deserved his own category. And he is about as black as they come... But I feel like Samut and Teferi, being as bad-tinykitty as they are, balance that jerk's influence out.)
Blue People: 4% (That'll go up when Dovin, the Grand Arbiter inevitably hits, too.)
Shiny, Shiny Silver People: 2% (Poor Karn... all by himself.)
Native American People: 4% (I mean, seriously. At least Huatli has... herself... to keep herself company, I guess.)
Indian People: 8% (Saheeli and the Chandras... I realize she's fairer skinned, but she got her dad's looks and her mom's bad-arsitude.)
Chinese People: 6% (Sure, it's just Sarkhan, but he's nuts... He'll do a better job keeping himself company than Huatli will.)
Cat People: 6% (All Ajani... love that dude. He may be alone, but he probably grates his own cheese on those abs.)
Evil Dragon People: 4% (Stupid Bolas... he deserves to be alone. Bigger jerk than Obby.)
Good Dragon People: 0% (We got Sarkhan, Unbroken, could we pretty please get Bolas' much less handsome twin brother, please?)
Evil Colorless Abomination People: 2% (Ew... all the... the tentacles and... Yech. I didn't feel like Karn deserved to be lumped along with this pile of yuck.)
That's out of a total of 47 'walkers in the game. So what have I taken away from this? Well, strictly speaking of the Planeswalkers, the author of the article isn't 100% wrong. Could they use a little bit more varied representation? Sure. But there are a lot of really awesome characters that aren't Planeswalkers that represent a lot of really awesome cultures.
Also, please, please, please, Karn Liberated and Ugin, the Spirit Dragon? I don't care about their stats half a tinykitty, but I love those characters.
...
...man, I'm writing a lot of novels today on the forums.

Interesting analysis! Thanks for taking the time to do that, though I'm definitely going to debate you on Tezzeret being even close to white. His art from the beginning had him mixed or black

Vraskas ethnicity is open to interpretation lol

Oh, I 100% agree with you, I was just trying to be as pessimistic as I could think to be on assigning them to an ethnicity other than white. I think the lightest skin tone argument you could make for Tezzeret is "olive-skinned" at the lightest. But some of the artwork has made him look fairer skinned than others.

NinjaE said:

This has very little to do with MPQ and more to do with MtG, as Wizards determines what cards are printed. If you have complaints about distribution in cards, you really should take them to Wizards of the Coast.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm not saying there's a huge problem in representation on either side between Wizards and D3, but I think we're more talking about which characters that D3 has chosen to bring forth in Puzzle Quest.
For example. Sarkhan, Unbroken. Why did we get a third Sarkhan (three men total), instead of Narset Transcendant (so we'd have two men and a woman), who's from the same block? Yes, she wouldn't have been as interesting (she's white-blue, whereas Sarkhan Unbroken is a unique collection of colors to the game), but would have been so much easier to implement, taking into account balance
But now I'm definitely rambling. All I'm trying to say is: I think this is less of an issue than is being made out, but if it is an issue, there is part of it specifically associated with MPQ.

Yeah I think we're seeing eye to eye for the most part. I have seen some art where Tezzeret is depicted as being lighter complected. Like you said, there's always a variance of artistic results depending on the artist who drew the picture.

I theorize the planeswalkers chosen for mtgpq have more to do with contract regulations with wizards of the coast, and less to do with racial preference.

Agreed. I think it's a little telling that the vast majority of the planeswalkers already in the game are from Origins and afterward. All I can think of, off the top of my head are Elspeth, the first two iterations of Sarkhan, and Garruk that haven't been in sets since Origins. And Elspeth and Sarkhan were closer to Origins than not.

Every block has given us new planeswalkers starting since they were introduced on Lorwyn. Alara is where Elspeth and Sarkhan appeared in the second batch of walkers. Zendikar gave us Sorin and Gideon, Mirrodin has Koth and Venser, Innistrad has Tamiyo and Tybalt, Return to Ravnica has Ral Zarek and Vraska, Theros had Xenegos and Ashiok, and Tarkir gave us Narset and Ugin, and that's just the pre-Origins set. Basically it seems every plane we visit gives us at least one more planeswalker if not multiple new ones. The latest Ravnica block seems to be the exception to that trend which has existed since planeswalkers were introduced.

Problem isn't representation of walkers, its that Wizards makes them then kind of throws them away. They either die as soon as they're introduced(Venser and Xenegos), or they're not in the story at all (Arlinn and Tybalt) or they just kind of fade away and we never hear about them again.

OmegaLolrus · March 2019

wereotter said:

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OmegaLolrus said:

FindingHeart8 said:

OmegaLolrus said:

FindingHeart8 said:

OmegaLolrus said:

FindingHeart8 said:

Generally the developers of mtg are pretty progressive and put efforts into representing minority groups. There's a transgender legendary hero in mtg, heroes of every ethnicity, almost every pirate in Ixalan was a female, I can go on but I think everyone gets the point.

The original accusation of this topic is very inaccurate.

And the one pirate character that wasn't a female was a freaking minotaur. But, out of curiosity, I broke it down. These may not add up to 100% because of rounding, but they're close enough for the internet:
White People: 48% (I counted Tezzeret in there, even though I think he's more a darker olive skinned individual. Same with Vraska.)
Super White People: 4% (Wow, never realized that the group that sealed the Eldrazi away was pretty much Pale Force.)
Black People: 12% (I apologize for lumping Ob Nixilis in here, but I don't think he deserved his own category. And he is about as black as they come... But I feel like Samut and Teferi, being as bad-tinykitty as they are, balance that jerk's influence out.)
Blue People: 4% (That'll go up when Dovin, the Grand Arbiter inevitably hits, too.)
Shiny, Shiny Silver People: 2% (Poor Karn... all by himself.)
Native American People: 4% (I mean, seriously. At least Huatli has... herself... to keep herself company, I guess.)
Indian People: 8% (Saheeli and the Chandras... I realize she's fairer skinned, but she got her dad's looks and her mom's bad-arsitude.)
Chinese People: 6% (Sure, it's just Sarkhan, but he's nuts... He'll do a better job keeping himself company than Huatli will.)
Cat People: 6% (All Ajani... love that dude. He may be alone, but he probably grates his own cheese on those abs.)
Evil Dragon People: 4% (Stupid Bolas... he deserves to be alone. Bigger jerk than Obby.)
Good Dragon People: 0% (We got Sarkhan, Unbroken, could we pretty please get Bolas' much less handsome twin brother, please?)
Evil Colorless Abomination People: 2% (Ew... all the... the tentacles and... Yech. I didn't feel like Karn deserved to be lumped along with this pile of yuck.)
That's out of a total of 47 'walkers in the game. So what have I taken away from this? Well, strictly speaking of the Planeswalkers, the author of the article isn't 100% wrong. Could they use a little bit more varied representation? Sure. But there are a lot of really awesome characters that aren't Planeswalkers that represent a lot of really awesome cultures.
Also, please, please, please, Karn Liberated and Ugin, the Spirit Dragon? I don't care about their stats half a tinykitty, but I love those characters.
...
...man, I'm writing a lot of novels today on the forums.

Interesting analysis! Thanks for taking the time to do that, though I'm definitely going to debate you on Tezzeret being even close to white. His art from the beginning had him mixed or black

Vraskas ethnicity is open to interpretation lol

Oh, I 100% agree with you, I was just trying to be as pessimistic as I could think to be on assigning them to an ethnicity other than white. I think the lightest skin tone argument you could make for Tezzeret is "olive-skinned" at the lightest. But some of the artwork has made him look fairer skinned than others.

NinjaE said:

This has very little to do with MPQ and more to do with MtG, as Wizards determines what cards are printed. If you have complaints about distribution in cards, you really should take them to Wizards of the Coast.

I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm not saying there's a huge problem in representation on either side between Wizards and D3, but I think we're more talking about which characters that D3 has chosen to bring forth in Puzzle Quest.
For example. Sarkhan, Unbroken. Why did we get a third Sarkhan (three men total), instead of Narset Transcendant (so we'd have two men and a woman), who's from the same block? Yes, she wouldn't have been as interesting (she's white-blue, whereas Sarkhan Unbroken is a unique collection of colors to the game), but would have been so much easier to implement, taking into account balance
But now I'm definitely rambling. All I'm trying to say is: I think this is less of an issue than is being made out, but if it is an issue, there is part of it specifically associated with MPQ.

Yeah I think we're seeing eye to eye for the most part. I have seen some art where Tezzeret is depicted as being lighter complected. Like you said, there's always a variance of artistic results depending on the artist who drew the picture.

I theorize the planeswalkers chosen for mtgpq have more to do with contract regulations with wizards of the coast, and less to do with racial preference.

Agreed. I think it's a little telling that the vast majority of the planeswalkers already in the game are from Origins and afterward. All I can think of, off the top of my head are Elspeth, the first two iterations of Sarkhan, and Garruk that haven't been in sets since Origins. And Elspeth and Sarkhan were closer to Origins than not.

Every block has given us new planeswalkers starting since they were introduced on Lorwyn. Alara is where Elspeth and Sarkhan appeared in the second batch of walkers. Zendikar gave us Sorin and Gideon, Mirrodin has Koth and Venser, Innistrad has Tamiyo and Tybalt, Return to Ravnica has Ral Zarek and Vraska, Theros had Xenegos and Ashiok, and Tarkir gave us Narset and Ugin, and that's just the pre-Origins set. Basically it seems every plane we visit gives us at least one more planeswalker if not multiple new ones. The latest Ravnica block seems to be the exception to that trend which has existed since planeswalkers were introduced.

Problem isn't representation of walkers, its that Wizards makes them then kind of throws them away. They either die as soon as they're introduced(Venser and Xenegos), or they're not in the story at all (Arlinn and Tybalt) or they just kind of fade away and we never hear about them again.

Sorry, I meant that specific iteration of Elspeth was from Theros block, which was right before Tarkir block, which was right before Origins. We're not looking at planeswalkers from anything earlier than those two blocks, even though there are six other earlier blocks with 'walkers in 'em.

A lot of them are treated as throw-away characters though. I have hope going forward; I'm putting my money on there being an above-average number of planeswalkers in War of the Spark (hoping to see Saheeli and Huatli back, at least, from Ajani going up and rounding up a posse). Tybalt, it looks like is going to be in the Chandra comic they're working on now (I think), and MaRo has been kind of coy about Ashiok. Thinking they might be making a comeback.

James13 · March 2019

Oh... my... god....

Jiang Yanggu has a PUPPY?!?!?

It's so happy! The ultimate could be translated to "Opponent swoons from cute overload".

(Not that I need another mono green.)

wereotter · March 2019

James13 said:

Oh... my... god....

Jiang Yanggu has a PUPPY?!?!?

It's so happy! The ultimate could be translated to "Opponent swoons from cute overload".

(Not that I need another mono green.)

He attac

He protec

Image: https://img.scryfall.com/cards/large/en/gs1/T1b.jpg?1529811668

but most importantly, he adorable as hec

FindingHeart8 · March 2019

wereotter said:

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James13 said:

Oh... my... god....

Jiang Yanggu has a PUPPY?!?!?

It's so happy! The ultimate could be translated to "Opponent swoons from cute overload".

(Not that I need another mono green.)

He attac

He protec

but most importantly, he adorable as hec

One of those doggos is significantly cuter than the other

OmegaLolrus · March 2019

But even the less-cute one is still pretty cute, though.

...in a "I have a very specific set of skills" kinda way.

Brigby · March 2019

So cuteness. Much aww.

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OmegaLolrus · March 2019

starfall said:

We gots to get that puppy into this game somehow!

Well, clearly.

The puppy said we have to. I'm pretty sure he in charge now.

Thuran · March 2019

Oh oh, BTW, she is not in game, but narset is pretty Asian, and samut, as mentioned above, is pretty Egyptian

Oh and stories include things like people in the background saying, and I quote: "good evening sir, how about a flower for your boyfriend?"

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ZW2007- · March 2019

Narset is also hinted to have autism (can't remember if they outright said it or not). I also learned that Ajani could be considered Meso-American due to similarities in Nayan and Meso-American cultures.

Froggy · March 2019

This thread made me smile.

From a racist starting comment (sorry, but that's how I read it), to great community conversation and joining together.

And yes, we need doggo in the game.

"Every gem match = +5 loyalty! Good boy!"

1st ability: 9 loyalty cost
"Fetch! Send doggo to fetch the first card from your opponent's library."

OmegaLolrus · March 2019

starfall said:

We gots to get that puppy into this game somehow!

Well, you know... The preview they just showed for WAR has doggo's daddy in there... with doggo in the frame. So... fingers crossed!

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