wereotter said: The problem I'm seeing with your suggestion is how god awful a permanent boost would be in Koth decks, especially since this is a legacy card where Koth can now cascade with massive mana bonuses fueled by him hitting all those activated gems into Olivias to regain the life lost.I think the card is interesting as-is and have been able to do some fun things with it (like activating the green gem two turns in a row and using that bonus to get extra forest elementals when casting Avenger of Zendikar) but it is admittedly more of a niche card to use.If you wanted it to act more like its paper counterpart, however, I might suggest activated gems of every color that simply give you more mana when they're hit with a match only (see the problems with Koth again for having it happen whenever the gem is destroyed) and then hit you for a little damage.
Mburn7 said: wereotter said: The problem I'm seeing with your suggestion is how god awful a permanent boost would be in Koth decks, especially since this is a legacy card where Koth can now cascade with massive mana bonuses fueled by him hitting all those activated gems into Olivias to regain the life lost.I think the card is interesting as-is and have been able to do some fun things with it (like activating the green gem two turns in a row and using that bonus to get extra forest elementals when casting Avenger of Zendikar) but it is admittedly more of a niche card to use.If you wanted it to act more like its paper counterpart, however, I might suggest activated gems of every color that simply give you more mana when they're hit with a match only (see the problems with Koth again for having it happen whenever the gem is destroyed) and then hit you for a little damage. Isn't the card Green? If so, Koth can't use it, so there's no issue there. If it is colorless you are absolutely correct that it would be bonkers with the new mono-colors, since they have really high starting bonuses
Gun Bunny said: Just bump the temp bonus to +2 or +3 for the single turn, and it merits its mythic classification, otherwise it is a rarer, strictly worse, gilded lotus.
wereotter said: Ah. Yes. It’s still, however, as I said. More reward at more risk rather than just being a safe card.Also as a relevant difference, the game is starting to care about what type of card it is. As such, being a land, it can’t be returned by River’s Rebuke, it will get pulled up with full mana from Path to Exile, and it can’t be destroyed by any of the current trend of green support destruction. Gilded Lotus being an artifact has a different set of strengths and weaknesses, but my opinion is being a land makes Mana Confluence a stronger support.
khurram said: wereotter said: Ah. Yes. It’s still, however, as I said. More reward at more risk rather than just being a safe card.Also as a relevant difference, the game is starting to care about what type of card it is. As such, being a land, it can’t be returned by River’s Rebuke, it will get pulled up with full mana from Path to Exile, and it can’t be destroyed by any of the current trend of green support destruction. Gilded Lotus being an artifact has a different set of strengths and weaknesses, but my opinion is being a land makes Mana Confluence a stronger support. Current "trend of green support destruction" doesn't matter because this great land support is going straight to legacy where the current trend doesn't mean tinykitty. Greg just cast rebuke to wipe my board and supports, wasting all of my mana invested in those? No problem, I've still got Mana confluence on board; joke is on Greg. Ha!What's that? Greg used path to exile to get rid of my pig? Too bad you gave me a FREE Mana confluence in the bargain, Greg. Checkmate, matey!
Mburn7 said: khurram said: wereotter said: Ah. Yes. It’s still, however, as I said. More reward at more risk rather than just being a safe card.Also as a relevant difference, the game is starting to care about what type of card it is. As such, being a land, it can’t be returned by River’s Rebuke, it will get pulled up with full mana from Path to Exile, and it can’t be destroyed by any of the current trend of green support destruction. Gilded Lotus being an artifact has a different set of strengths and weaknesses, but my opinion is being a land makes Mana Confluence a stronger support. Current "trend of green support destruction" doesn't matter because this great land support is going straight to legacy where the current trend doesn't mean tinykitty. Greg just cast rebuke to wipe my board and supports, wasting all of my mana invested in those? No problem, I've still got Mana confluence on board; joke is on Greg. Ha!What's that? Greg used path to exile to get rid of my pig? Too bad you gave me a FREE Mana confluence in the bargain, Greg. Checkmate, matey! I don't think he means the land subtype makes it a good card, just a better card.I mean, in both of those scenarios you would have nothing on the board if you were running Lotus instead of Confluence. So you are objectively better off because of the land subytpe.