mischiefmaker wrote: Wait, don't Ragnarok and IM40 both have below-average damage skills and a ton of health? They also generate AP so they're not totally dummyproof, but totally dummyproof also means that there's nothing you can do tactically on offense, which seems pretty boring.
NorthernPolarity wrote: mischiefmaker wrote: Wait, don't Ragnarok and IM40 both have below-average damage skills and a ton of health? They also generate AP so they're not totally dummyproof, but totally dummyproof also means that there's nothing you can do tactically on offense, which seems pretty boring. Yeah, I think rag is a really good example of why dummyproof characters shouldn't exist: they just aren't powerful enough to see play. I don't think I've seen a single Ragnarok played in anything except the LRs. I would call IM40 almost dummy proof: his 20AP blue makes him a big liability because the AI is going to collect blue even though there is very little chance that they'll actually get to 20 blue in the match, wasting a ton of matches for no reason.
Phantron wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: mischiefmaker wrote: Wait, don't Ragnarok and IM40 both have below-average damage skills and a ton of health? They also generate AP so they're not totally dummyproof, but totally dummyproof also means that there's nothing you can do tactically on offense, which seems pretty boring. Yeah, I think rag is a really good example of why dummyproof characters shouldn't exist: they just aren't powerful enough to see play. I don't think I've seen a single Ragnarok played in anything except the LRs. I would call IM40 almost dummy proof: his 20AP blue makes him a big liability because the AI is going to collect blue even though there is very little chance that they'll actually get to 20 blue in the match, wasting a ton of matches for no reason. What character with only 2 abilities sees regular play on the high end? If lazy Thor only has his red and yellow and is limited to level 110 he sure wouldn't be overpowered. Even if you give him his best abilities (yellow/green), he'd still be considerably weaker just from missing 31 levels.
Phantron wrote: Konman wrote: Phantron wrote: They said a gold character is basically a stronger version of a character (Thor 3* versus Thor 2*). Fundamentally, this isn't a terrible idea because we could use someone with Thor's skillset in the 3* game. However currently the gold character seems to be 'send money this way to enjoy pummeling your opposition to oblivion'. But all its doing is making the players that aren't at the solid *** roster stage yet, like myself, even less likely to make it there any time soon. While those already in that level are, probably able to win the necessary event rewards to more easily obtain new *** covers. I don't have any *** above 100, and only 1 above 85 (Punisher), with most of them being a single cover. The trend is definitely toward high end players, and LazyThor doesn't add anything to my level of play, just like nearly all the *** characters I have. I wonder how long it will be before LazyThor is nerfed.
Konman wrote: Phantron wrote: They said a gold character is basically a stronger version of a character (Thor 3* versus Thor 2*). Fundamentally, this isn't a terrible idea because we could use someone with Thor's skillset in the 3* game. However currently the gold character seems to be 'send money this way to enjoy pummeling your opposition to oblivion'. But all its doing is making the players that aren't at the solid *** roster stage yet, like myself, even less likely to make it there any time soon. While those already in that level are, probably able to win the necessary event rewards to more easily obtain new *** covers. I don't have any *** above 100, and only 1 above 85 (Punisher), with most of them being a single cover. The trend is definitely toward high end players, and LazyThor doesn't add anything to my level of play, just like nearly all the *** characters I have. I wonder how long it will be before LazyThor is nerfed.
Phantron wrote: They said a gold character is basically a stronger version of a character (Thor 3* versus Thor 2*). Fundamentally, this isn't a terrible idea because we could use someone with Thor's skillset in the 3* game. However currently the gold character seems to be 'send money this way to enjoy pummeling your opposition to oblivion'.
Phantron wrote: The 3* range is missing a 'dummyproof tank' hero. Not a strong hero, just someone who can mindlessly do some below average damage while soaking up hits. I have the HP for 1600 but not for 1700, so let me buy the very next.
pasa_ wrote: So is there any differnce in abilities between ** and *** thor? Other than damage number and health?
kensterr wrote: Not sure if anyone posted this before for a 3/5/5 Thor Red 1168, creates 3 yellow tiles Yellow 2121 creates 9 green tiles Green 3856/1927
Phaserhawk wrote: kensterr wrote: Not sure if anyone posted this before for a 3/5/5 Thor Red 1168, creates 3 yellow tiles Yellow 2121 creates 9 green tiles Green 3856/1927 If these numbers are correct, he is OP, I mean 2* Thor hits hard, now you add more HP and higher damage values to work through, geesh.
Polares wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: kensterr wrote: Not sure if anyone posted this before for a 3/5/5 Thor Red 1168, creates 3 yellow tiles Yellow 2121 creates 9 green tiles Green 3856/1927 If these numbers are correct, he is OP, I mean 2* Thor hits hard, now you add more HP and higher damage values to work through, geesh. Mmm he is a very good character, but I don't know why you say he is OP. I don't see him being better than Patch or Punisher (and of course Spidey and CMags are still way better). He is the best tank there is but I don't think he is OP. I think the problem with this character is that other tanks like IM40 or BP need to be slightly buffed. (BP needs a better yellow ability, IM40 needs his abilities to be a little cheaper and Hulk needs its red to be far better). I love Thor and I thought we needed a 3* Thor so I am happy they created a 3* Thor. As I said, the only problem I see is that we have a lot of characters that need to be buffed, so not everybody uses Punisher, Patch, Thor, Spidey, CMags, Hood or OBW. I suposse eveybody agrees on 3/5/5 as best build? I don't know if maybe 4/5/4 could be a good build. I love red, but Punisher red is better and I suposse I will use both in my team. Of course I will also use Punisher green (at least at first) so I don't know what to do...
OnesOwnGrief wrote: We're probably going to see a lot of Punishers as hard counters for Thor. Getting him down enough to one shot with Red will be key. Now you just have to decide how you're going to go about denying his yellow/green since his Red is manageable. Basically, its only going to be particularly nasty if you have to stare down him and Hulk.