shteev said: Ohboy said: I would be very surprised if the veteran players chimed in and told me bolas was easier or even comparable to tezz. Hiya Honestly, I dunno about that. It took me quite a few attempts before I had a deck which beat Tezz every time, and that deck had a lot of moving parts... I'd take my Ob deck and swap in 4 cards specifically for that matchup (by hand. The good old days!). Towards the end of the cycle I'd feel happier throwing together something as an experiment, and these decks would be fine.. usually... and then Tezz would get a big old cascade and beat them.And some of the moving parts in my Tezz deck were there to exploit *his* technicalities. I ran Deadlock Trap to lock down his tokens. I couldn't energize, but that was OK, because Tezz did it for me. Ohboy said: OK let's put it this way. Not everyone has an easy time exploiting that weakness that makes it go from epic level danger to cute bunny. Again, I dunno about that. I've seen people in the general chat channel in Slack talk of beating him by just throwing spells like Exquisite Firecraft or even Lightning Javelin at his face. It took them ages, tho
Ohboy said: I would be very surprised if the veteran players chimed in and told me bolas was easier or even comparable to tezz.
Ohboy said: OK let's put it this way. Not everyone has an easy time exploiting that weakness that makes it go from epic level danger to cute bunny.
Sorin81 said: @shteev I have to disagree with you. I'm not a new player and I did have a hard time with Bolas for a long time. I probably still would not be able to beat him if I hadn't got plugged into a community ( thank you ThePower9!) and gotten help from some great people.
In some ways this actually makes the game less fun. Its like reading a strategy guide while playing a console game. Sure you can win with max points easily, but is that really the point of the game?
We certainly have a well organized deck building channel, but I pretty much ignore it until I have figured out at least one way to effectively beat the challenges myself.
Not sure why I am even mentioning this... I guess I am just saying. Don't ruin the game for yourself by going right to the hive mentality.
TheDragonHermit said: @shteev , @Ohboy , can you guys just have one thread you aren't at each other's throats, I mean other than the HoR change thread that you two were on the same side of that this was supposed to be a poll version of. I am just trying to have a nice poll to make the it easier for Oktagon to see what the players want. You two disagree, let's face it that is what you guys do, is there any chance you can just accept each other's opinions nicely rather than endlessly retreading the same points.
Sorin81 said: Believe me I didn't. I steered clear of all the alliances for a long time. I tried so many ways to do it myself. I even went 300 turn plus with Bolas using a creatureless deck. I could have won that one but it was so time consuming I just quit the match. The hive doesn't tell you how to build your deck. They tell you what works and give you ideas on how to make what you have better.
Well that seems like a reasonable time to pick up the "strategy guide".
Anyway, I have definitely had a few experiences where I didn't follow my own advice and ended up using a modified version of a coalitions mates deck on my first attempt. Worked perfectly. Ruined the fun.
I just think you can do both. Sure deck building strategies are a huge deal and can often speed up fights or introduce you to interesting interactions. I just prefer to go in alone at first.
Mainloop25 said: Ohboy said: OK let's put it this way. Not everyone has an easy time exploiting that weakness that makes it go from epic level danger to cute bunny. OK sure, not everyone, but you specifically mentioned veterans... Veterans who are likely no strangers to piloting creatureless decks. There are a variety of ways to beat Bolas as well, but they do involve leaving creatures (including tokens) out of your deck. It was mentioned that C1 was used before. If you can make it to RotGP 3.3 with basic walkers, then you likely have the tools to beat him already, since 2.3 is best dealt with by using a creatureless kill-spam deck.
Ohboy said: Mainloop25 said: Ohboy said: OK let's put it this way. Not everyone has an easy time exploiting that weakness that makes it go from epic level danger to cute bunny. OK sure, not everyone, but you specifically mentioned veterans... Veterans who are likely no strangers to piloting creatureless decks. There are a variety of ways to beat Bolas as well, but they do involve leaving creatures (including tokens) out of your deck. It was mentioned that C1 was used before. If you can make it to RotGP 3.3 with basic walkers, then you likely have the tools to beat him already, since 2.3 is best dealt with by using a creatureless kill-spam deck. I'll rephrase. For raw power in head on attacks without resorting to exploiting deck design weaknesses, which boss is harder?
mrixl2520 said: I think pvp events should be standard to prevent getting overrun (pun intened) by OP cards. However for RPG and “boss battle” type events I think legacy is needed as players need all the power they can muster to compete against the often mono-mythic and/or invocation decks.