Mana Jewels - Simply not as much fun.

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  • Steeme
    Steeme Posts: 784 Critical Contributor
    shteev said:
    @babar3355 but what do you think they should do specifically about jewels?


    Elite packs should draw three cards and allow the user to select one.  This keeps the RNG of opening packs, keeps the "targeting" of a small set of cards, mitigates the gambling aspect, and removes horrible edge cases where players proc the only card they already have.  You would basically be guaranteed a new card as long as you didn't have more than 2 of the cards already.

    This has to be considered fair from both sides of the equation, and the value of Jewels would appreciate.

  • hawkyh1
    hawkyh1 Posts: 780 Critical Contributor
    Steeme said:
    shteev said:
    @babar3355 but what do you think they should do specifically about jewels?


    Elite packs should draw three cards and allow the user to select one.  This keeps the RNG of opening packs, keeps the "targeting" of a small set of cards, mitigates the gambling aspect, and removes horrible edge cases where players proc the only card they already have.  You would basically be guaranteed a new card as long as you didn't have more than 2 of the cards already.

    This has to be considered fair from both sides of the equation, and the value of Jewels would appreciate.


    what about the 120 jewels lucky dip?
    what about the masterpieces?

    my idea is there is a rotation of lets say 8 mythics.
    you choose 4 mythics that you want and they get
    mixed in with the 3 masterpieces. thus your personal
    elite card pool is created. you can then choose to buy
    an elite pack using that pool as normal. this will allow
    you to focus on the cards that you want but not allow
    you to choose a specific card.

    HH
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    So y'all want Omniscience, right?
  • babar3355
    babar3355 Posts: 1,128 Chairperson of the Boards
    shteev said:
    @babar3355 but what do you think they should do specifically about jewels?

    babar3355 said:

    Perhaps this problem is less a problem with the mana jewels and more a problem with the elite packs.  I have no idea why they don't create more options for spending this currency.  How about a random mythic from a standard set for 300 jewels and legacy set for 200?  Or from a specific color?  

    If they don't want to do that then why not rotate the sets more quickly? Or have a KLD block and AHK block going at the same time?  Why not BFZ, ORI, and SOI too?

    Then again, maybe I wouldn't be complaining if the mythics and masterpeices in HOU weren't such utter garbage for the most part. 

    Are you trolling me buddy?  I literally gave some ideas earlier in this very thread.

    And the problem with Omniscience is that its completely overpowered.  That's a balance issue. In my ideal world players with enough effort, skill and/or money could collect the entire set.  And if the game was balanced and objectives were well constructed, virtually every card would get some play even from decent players. 



  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    I spent 120j on a rare pack earlier today, and opened.... a Sifter Wurm. Trash card.

    I know, I know, buyer beware, right? Y'all have no sympathy?

    That's kind of why nobody likes spending mana jewels on purple packs. I mean, true, I could have opened a Slaughter Pact, and then, maybe, I'd have posted a happy post here. Maybe I'm a huge hypocrite. But I didn't, and let's face it the odds of me opening a bad card were much, much higher than me opening a good one. Games like this rely on the fact that people post good experiences, and they post bad experiences, and it looks like the two are happening at a fairly equivalent rate, when they really aren't.

    Here's the rub, tho... we've all been playing this game for a while, and we've all bought multiple packs. No matter how lucky we might have got at one time, the law of averages has hit us all, and we've all realised, hey, wait a minute! I personally have to buy 20 packs to get a masterpiece??!!! (Or, yknow, whatever the unpublished drop rates are now). Other people's anecdotal evidence pales into insignificance compared to our own personal bell curve of disappointment.
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,982 Chairperson of the Boards
    I think 120 jewel packs only have mythics at best? Can someone else confirm? 
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Mainloop25 said:
    I think 120 jewel packs only have mythics at best? Can someone else confirm? 
    That's not really my point, I didn't spend 120j hoping to get a masterpiece. But, certainly, I'd like that data too.
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,982 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2017
    Well whatever your point may have been, you made it sound like you were hoping to  get slaughter pact out of the 120j pack
  • Ohboy
    Ohboy Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Mainloop25 said:
    I think 120 jewel packs only have mythics at best? Can someone else confirm? 
    They carry everything. Even masterpieces. 


  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    shteev said:
    Mainloop25 said:
    I think 120 jewel packs only have mythics at best? Can someone else confirm? 
    That's not really my point, I didn't spend 120j hoping to get a masterpiece. But, certainly, I'd like that data too.
    120j packs are the least-sampled data we have on the drop rates spreadsheet.  A grand total of 7 120j packs have been entered.  We'll only know the odds of mp/m/r in those packs if people take the time to record what they opened.  (Or if D3 publishes the drop rates, of course.)
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Volrak said:
    shteev said:
    Mainloop25 said:
    I think 120 jewel packs only have mythics at best? Can someone else confirm? 
    That's not really my point, I didn't spend 120j hoping to get a masterpiece. But, certainly, I'd like that data too.
    120j packs are the least-sampled data we have on the drop rates spreadsheet.  A grand total of 7 120j packs have been entered.  We'll only know the odds of mp/m/r in those packs if people take the time to record what they opened.  (Or if D3 publishes the drop rates, of course.)
    Well you can have my data if you like, but there's a certain confirmation bias in it, isn't there... would I have posted if I'd got the Imaginary Threats I was after?
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,982 Chairperson of the Boards
    I've never gotten anything better than a rare in 120j pack. I've opened 4.
  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    I opened 4-5 early in this rotation and got one Mythic. 
  • blacklotus
    blacklotus Posts: 589 Critical Contributor
    personally, i am saving up all my jewels and crystals till i see if the mtgpq Ixalan cards are any good or needed for Ixalan event objectives. If they aren't good or needed, i will only spend when the akh/hou cycling cards get rotated out of standard play. 
  • rafalele
    rafalele Posts: 876 Critical Contributor
    I have opened 6 120j packs and just got rares, and of course of the 2 opened in last rotation the first was a dupe Sifter Wurm. At least the other one was Inferno jet, needed for the RotGP event against Nicol Bolas in my Ajani 1 deck.
  • Fiddler
    Fiddler Posts: 251 Mover and Shaker
    Since the Masterpiece Collection is getting so little love, I assume that booster crafting will be the next place to spend jewels.
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Fiddler said:
    Since the Masterpiece Collection is getting so little love, I assume that booster crafting will be the next place to spend jewels.
    You think booster crafting will involve jewels? I'm sure they've said in the past that they were planning on introducing some new currency for booster crafting [citation needed]. Whatever they finally come up with, I can't see me being able to trade in my 50 Hitchclaw Recluses for jewels.
  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    shteev said:
    Fiddler said:
    Since the Masterpiece Collection is getting so little love, I assume that booster crafting will be the next place to spend jewels.
    You think booster crafting will involve jewels? I'm sure they've said in the past that they were planning on introducing some new currency for booster crafting [citation needed]. Whatever they finally come up with, I can't see me being able to trade in my 50 Hitchclaw Recluses for jewels.
    The word they used was tokens and that there were going to be legacy and standard tokens, so in fact two new currencies. 
  • TheDragonHermit
    TheDragonHermit Posts: 465 Mover and Shaker
    Also that was the last devs, I am guessing that there will be quite a few changes, would love to hear more about the new team's plans with that

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