Rodolfo78 said:hu A_Wise_Man said: Hendross said: Tony Foot said: Competitive spirit//Removed Inappropriate Content -Brigby You mean; front-run, inject points, individual rank, alliance rank, baking, and good natured competition. Some of these are the nicest, most grounded people I've met online. You should be thanking them due to trickle down. What does front-run mean? What is baking? It seems like a lot of work to hit 4k. Do points stay really high after like 1500? Like, if i run 5 stars, can I keep hitting people for hours and nobody hits me and my gains are all 50 points? I know I get to like 800 and get hit a bunch and all my battles are worth 30 points. Are these people cheating? Player A gets a really high score early in an event, and shields. They then communicate with Player B outside the game about when exactly they're going to unshield; player B can then queue a high-value player A right when their shield is (very briefly) down. Player B waits to hit player A until the shield is back up; player B gains many points, player A loses none. Player B returns the favor for player A.Players used to be able to do this with extremely low level teams (loaner and two level 1s), beating other such teams with coordinated shield hops. These teams were referred to as "cupcakes". Devs changed the matchmaking such that a defensive team has to be more serious now, so you'll sometimes come across a 75-point team consisting of loaner/champ 3*/champ 5*; these used to be called "grills", but per Jarvind this is now called "whipping out a beefsnake". Anyone that takes advantage is "eating a beefsnake".Eating beefsnakes is not illegal, though many argue it's not how the game was meant to be played.
A_Wise_Man said: Hendross said: Tony Foot said: Competitive spirit//Removed Inappropriate Content -Brigby You mean; front-run, inject points, individual rank, alliance rank, baking, and good natured competition. Some of these are the nicest, most grounded people I've met online. You should be thanking them due to trickle down. What does front-run mean? What is baking? It seems like a lot of work to hit 4k. Do points stay really high after like 1500? Like, if i run 5 stars, can I keep hitting people for hours and nobody hits me and my gains are all 50 points? I know I get to like 800 and get hit a bunch and all my battles are worth 30 points. Are these people cheating?
Hendross said: Tony Foot said: Competitive spirit//Removed Inappropriate Content -Brigby You mean; front-run, inject points, individual rank, alliance rank, baking, and good natured competition. Some of these are the nicest, most grounded people I've met online. You should be thanking them due to trickle down.
Tony Foot said: Competitive spirit//Removed Inappropriate Content -Brigby
A_Wise_Man said: Rodolfo78 said:hu A_Wise_Man said: Hendross said: Tony Foot said: Competitive spirit//Removed Inappropriate Content -Brigby You mean; front-run, inject points, individual rank, alliance rank, baking, and good natured competition. Some of these are the nicest, most grounded people I've met online. You should be thanking them due to trickle down. What does front-run mean? What is baking? It seems like a lot of work to hit 4k. Do points stay really high after like 1500? Like, if i run 5 stars, can I keep hitting people for hours and nobody hits me and my gains are all 50 points? I know I get to like 800 and get hit a bunch and all my battles are worth 30 points. Are these people cheating? Player A gets a really high score early in an event, and shields. They then communicate with Player B outside the game about when exactly they're going to unshield; player B can then queue a high-value player A right when their shield is (very briefly) down. Player B waits to hit player A until the shield is back up; player B gains many points, player A loses none. Player B returns the favor for player A.Players used to be able to do this with extremely low level teams (loaner and two level 1s), beating other such teams with coordinated shield hops. These teams were referred to as "cupcakes". Devs changed the matchmaking such that a defensive team has to be more serious now, so you'll sometimes come across a 75-point team consisting of loaner/champ 3*/champ 5*; these used to be called "grills", but per Jarvind this is now called "whipping out a beefsnake". Anyone that takes advantage is "eating a beefsnake".Eating beefsnakes is not illegal, though many argue it's not how the game was meant to be played. That sounds like an exploit, using 1 stars to get 75 points. I am not surprised they got rid of it. It does sound like, from what you say, people are still gaming the system. Outside communication? What does that mean? This sounds like outright cheating, or at the very least exploiting/gaming the system.
A_Wise_Man said: Interesting. So what are there like 100 people on Line or something that all cheat together? It can't be a very big group. How does everyone else get so high? I've tried randomly joining public alliances and I never see anyone so high. Maybe they're in private ones? How do you get in those? I thought those were guys that knew each other for real. It's just too hard and it's really disheartening, especially since I spend about $300 a day on roster stuff.
aesthetocyst said: Spudgutter said:But, don't you think there is still some correlation? Some said they dont want to do 40 matches in a win based system, but if you hit 3000 on 75 point matches.... Correlation between ...A relatively large group, those who are trying to minimize their time spent in and achieving certain progression rewards (thus complaining about a change that doubles time spent for 2nd highest prog and abducts the highest prog), and ....A much smaller group, those who are willing to invest a great deal of time in pursuit of maximizing their high scores.?Precisely zero correlation.
Spudgutter said:But, don't you think there is still some correlation? Some said they dont want to do 40 matches in a win based system, but if you hit 3000 on 75 point matches....
A_Wise_Man said: Also, why do I get hit 4,000 times every pvp while running 5 stars? That's not helpful to me at all. That's just rude.
A_Wise_Man said: I do not think that is true. I see many different teams in pvp. Sure they're all 5 stars but some are phoenix, some are old man logan, some are thanos or black bolt. It's a big variety. Why would everyone hit just me? Is it part of the system of collusion going on?
atomzed said: A_Wise_Man said: I do not think that is true. I see many different teams in pvp. Sure they're all 5 stars but some are phoenix, some are old man logan, some are thanos or black bolt. It's a big variety. Why would everyone hit just me? Is it part of the system of collusion going on? The horde hits everyone. you are definitely not the only one. if you want to go down to the specifics, there's many things to look at. Which shard do you usually play in?The one that ends at 5 o clock central time. Which teams do you climb with?Thanos and HawkeyeAt what score do you usually float?I think this means leave my account but don't shield or youd say shield. I dont know, 500?When do you usually you push to shield? (ie how many hours remaining in pvp)Whenever I can get to 900. Usually last 8 or 3 hours, I dont like using hero points.When you shield hop, how many games did you do?Like drop shield then re-shield? Like 4 or 5 if i get lucky enough to break 1000 points. But I usually take hits though. My 5 stars are level 420 and 405.
Milk Jugz said: @A_Wise_Man Got called out for trolling and found a successful new troll in the same thread..... Very good job sir!!!!!Still not seeing where I was trolling, just feigning ignorance for the sake of the discussion on the first bit.
Milk Jugz said: @SpudgutterMy problem is not placement rewards, but progression rewards. I am fine with the top 25 my 9xx points generally guarantees me. Sometimes I swing the extra few matches to hit 12xx. I don't have the time in my schedule to shoot for t5 and I don't have the time in my schedule to consistently earn the 4* cover at 40 wins in win based. 900 in score based, absolutely because I can do it so much faster. I do benefit from the "trickle down" effect and I'm not coordinating with anyone for my scores. I've just perfected my solo methods over the course of 6-8 seasons.
Spudgutter said: Milk Jugz said: @SpudgutterMy problem is not placement rewards, but progression rewards. I am fine with the top 25 my 9xx points generally guarantees me. Sometimes I swing the extra few matches to hit 12xx. I don't have the time in my schedule to shoot for t5 and I don't have the time in my schedule to consistently earn the 4* cover at 40 wins in win based. 900 in score based, absolutely because I can do it so much faster. I do benefit from the "trickle down" effect and I'm not coordinating with anyone for my scores. I've just perfected my solo methods over the course of 6-8 seasons. Well aware of your stance lol, that's why i mentened placement. I dont want to go back through the dozen or so pages, but it felt like it was mentioned at least a couple of times.
A_Wise_Man said: atomzed said: A_Wise_Man said: I do not think that is true. I see many different teams in pvp. Sure they're all 5 stars but some are phoenix, some are old man logan, some are thanos or black bolt. It's a big variety. Why would everyone hit just me? Is it part of the system of collusion going on? The horde hits everyone. you are definitely not the only one. if you want to go down to the specifics, there's many things to look at. Which shard do you usually play in?The one that ends at 5 o clock central time. Which teams do you climb with?Thanos and HawkeyeAt what score do you usually float?I think this means leave my account but don't shield or youd say shield. I dont know, 500?When do you usually you push to shield? (ie how many hours remaining in pvp)Whenever I can get to 900. Usually last 8 or 3 hours, I dont like using hero points.When you shield hop, how many games did you do?Like drop shield then re-shield? Like 4 or 5 if i get lucky enough to break 1000 points. But I usually take hits though. My 5 stars are level 420 and 405.