notamutant said: I don't see why people think it would be a good idea to lower her black cost. Her black is insane. It is the only skill that can completely protect a character from both single target and AoE attacks. The high cost prevents it from being spammable, but if you could easily get it out, unless Elektra was the first character you took out in the match, she would almost never go down when boosted. It could easily take 3-4 turns to get rid of all of her black tiles, while she continues damaging you and draining your AP. You can't make black matches yourself, since her red will just steal the black AP you made. Offensively Elektra still sucks, but on defense, she just became much more annoying to fight against. Possibly even worse than the invisible characters.
hopper1979 said: notamutant said: .... I would agree with you if ..... In general you are lucky if you get 1 or 3 defenses out of the power for 10 ap. Hence why it should cost less if it only spams on one color.
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Rick OShay said: hopper1979 said: notamutant said: .... I would agree with you if ..... In general you are lucky if you get 1 or 3 defenses out of the power for 10 ap. Hence why it should cost less if it only spams on one color. Oh man, think again. And not a mutant is 100% correct. If you're only getting 1 defense out of Shadow Step you need to play it when black tiles are less likely to be matched away. I was an Elektra fan before, and now she can be amazing. Do you realize that she also re-acquires the black AP when she dodges? With Ballet out & stealing even more AP, it's playable again very soon. She may now be a good counter to Medusa and Carnage, and has always been good vs unavoidable enemy one-shots (Headbutt etc).
hopper1979 said: Rick OShay said: hopper1979 said: notamutant said: .... I would agree with you if ..... In general you are lucky if you get 1 or 3 defenses out of the power for 10 ap. Hence why it should cost less if it only spams on one color. Oh man, think again. And not a mutant is 100% correct. If you're only getting 1 defense out of Shadow Step you need to play it when black tiles are less likely to be matched away. I was an Elektra fan before, and now she can be amazing. Do you realize that she also re-acquires the black AP when she dodges? With Ballet out & stealing even more AP, it's playable again very soon. She may now be a good counter to Medusa and Carnage, and has always been good vs unavoidable enemy one-shots (Headbutt etc). If you have to wait for the right time to pop her black power than it is too situational to be a good power.
Tiger Wong said: hopper1979 said: Rick OShay said: hopper1979 said: notamutant said: .... I would agree with you if ..... In general you are lucky if you get 1 or 3 defenses out of the power for 10 ap. Hence why it should cost less if it only spams on one color. Oh man, think again. And not a mutant is 100% correct. If you're only getting 1 defense out of Shadow Step you need to play it when black tiles are less likely to be matched away. I was an Elektra fan before, and now she can be amazing. Do you realize that she also re-acquires the black AP when she dodges? With Ballet out & stealing even more AP, it's playable again very soon. She may now be a good counter to Medusa and Carnage, and has always been good vs unavoidable enemy one-shots (Headbutt etc). If you have to wait for the right time to pop her black power than it is too situational to be a good power. What? That's not being too situational. That's being smart. You don't activate IM40s yellow if there's a chance it can get matched do you? Tiger Wong said: hopper1979 said: Rick OShay said: hopper1979 said: not If you have to wait for the right time to pop her black power than it is too situational to be a good power. What? That's not being too situational. That's being smart. You don't activate IM40s yellow if there's a chance it can get matched do you?
Tiger Wong said: hopper1979 said: Rick OShay said: hopper1979 said: notamutant said: .... I would agree with you if ..... In general you are lucky if you get 1 or 3 defenses out of the power for 10 ap. Hence why it should cost less if it only spams on one color. Oh man, think again. And not a mutant is 100% correct. If you're only getting 1 defense out of Shadow Step you need to play it when black tiles are less likely to be matched away. I was an Elektra fan before, and now she can be amazing. Do you realize that she also re-acquires the black AP when she dodges? With Ballet out & stealing even more AP, it's playable again very soon. She may now be a good counter to Medusa and Carnage, and has always been good vs unavoidable enemy one-shots (Headbutt etc). If you have to wait for the right time to pop her black power than it is too situational to be a good power. What? That's not being too situational. That's being smart. You don't activate IM40s yellow if there's a chance it can get matched do you?
hopper1979 said: Rick OShay said: hopper1979 said: not If you have to wait for the right time to pop her black power than it is too situational to be a good power.
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Dormammu said: I put her with Patch and MaxPun last night and it was a slaughterhouse. No one could stand up to that team. Patch green - Electra Purple - Punisher Black. Ouch. Plus, Electra's red gets the advantage of all those strike tiles. It was like having a 4k attack tile out.
hopper1979 said: That is the point, she is a unique tank and is there to protect the team. The more I play with her though the less I agree with this statement which just reinforces my initial point about her black. A mild cascade can decimate your entire set of traps on top of that because they are all in one color they are not that hard to remove. If she is paired with other 4s, at best, you will tank 3 colors with her, if a 5 is in the mix you will probably be at 1 or 2. So that is all she is good for taking a big hit but by the time she is ready to take that hit she has lost 1000's of HP especially if she is tanking black. Also you need to be lucky enough to have her colors on the board to match so she can absorb that hit. Granted, if she ends up alone that is a different issue but that is true under either condition and if you are naive enough to leave her for last you reap what you sew. He application is still limited and I contend it is due to the cost of her black, I liked Dormammu's idea and I will try it out myself, he is using her as an offensive battery and ignoring her black all together, that highlights my point, her black is too situational and expensive for what it does. I have suggested some easy fixes that would keep the cost the same since you seem to think 10 is reasonable. Lets be honest this is an important discussion because the best tank has been hammered and we need to look for a new one. I wish Rocket and Groot were a 4-star so they would have the HP to accommodate their true healing power because right now they are the best tank in the game with Patch and X-23 close behind. Electra could have been the heir apparent with a very minor tweak sadly it will not happen.
hopper1979 said: Dormammu said: I put her with Patch and MaxPun last night and it was a slaughterhouse. No one could stand up to that team. Patch green - Electra Purple - Punisher Black. Ouch. Plus, Electra's red gets the advantage of all those strike tiles. It was like having a 4k attack tile out. Dormammu thank you for this excellent team suggestion. Just tried it out and is the fist combo I have tried with the updated Electra that I think works. I am curious of how you have slotted you card to maximize things.
Tiger Wong said: What do you mean by "a solid 4"? Is that like a 5 point scale?