Adrock1020 said: morph3us said: Adrock1020 said: fmftint said: Adrock1020 said: No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. There are three people in my alliance for whom OML is the only championed, or near championed 5* that they have available. The OML nerf basically throws them all back into 4* land, and they've all been working really hard over the last year to finish off a 5*. One of them spent 1440CP recently to finish off his OML.You're assuming averages, but when you do, you're looking at a bell-curve, and there are going to be people sitting at the wrong end of the curve. "Probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers" doesn't hold true for a lot of people. I have less than zero sympathy for anyone that spends 1440 CP on one character. Back to my original point, it's unwise to put all your eggs (CP) into one basket (character). If you're even capable of hoarding that much CP, you should know by now that this game changes pretty often, and you shouldn't be spending CP on individual covers. It's a horrible ROI.
morph3us said: Adrock1020 said: fmftint said: Adrock1020 said: No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. There are three people in my alliance for whom OML is the only championed, or near championed 5* that they have available. The OML nerf basically throws them all back into 4* land, and they've all been working really hard over the last year to finish off a 5*. One of them spent 1440CP recently to finish off his OML.You're assuming averages, but when you do, you're looking at a bell-curve, and there are going to be people sitting at the wrong end of the curve. "Probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers" doesn't hold true for a lot of people.
Adrock1020 said: fmftint said: Adrock1020 said: No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers.
fmftint said: Adrock1020 said: No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot. You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well
Adrock1020 said: No vitriol intended, I just think the outrage over the nerf is overblown considering there's so many other options to use. If someone has a high leveled OML, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume they have a couple of other high leveled/covered 5-stars? Use them instead. Problem solved. Honestly you're right that OML wasn't overpowered, but he was definitely overused and it made things boring in a game with a ton of diversity. The "true fan" bit came off a bit pretentious, I admit, but I guess my point was that if someone is threatening to quit playing the game altogether because of a nerf to one character, then it makes me think they don't really appreciate all the game has to offer. I'm on day 1200+ and I've spent hundreds of dollars on the game. I've read posts from people saying they're quitting because they removed environment tiles. Then they're quitting because the nerfed XFW. Then 4hor. Etc. Its an ever evolving, ever expanding game and to put all your eggs in one basket (character) is unwise. If someone unwisely did that and they want to storm off and quit, so be it. I'll keep playing and take their spot.
Adrock1020 said: areyes81 said: Adrock1020 said: fmftint said: You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. You are naive and clearly don't have a max 5* my oml is lvl 462, that comes from that hard work you spoke of before the 5* pool was diluted and given horrible odds. My next 2 closest is 454 PHX and 451 SS, no other 5* is over 9 covers. Classics are so diluted that I only pull from latest in hopes of covering one before a new one comes out and they get regulated. It took me 1yr to cover 3 5* and at this rate will be 2 yrs before another one is. A diluted pool with horrible draw rates is why OML is popular even though he isn't the best. It's because at that level and MMR and a diluted pool, he is all folks have to survive. Otherwise they sell a max 5* and negate all the effort (and yes for some money) put into having a toon that helps against MMR where 70k Juggernauts in pve with cheap powers and against other OP 5* You're confusing naivety with me being unsympathetic. You're right, I don't have a champed 5-star. That doesn't even matter. I do have a bunch of champed 4-stars. If one of them got nerfed, I wouldn't being throwing an online hissy fit demanding compensation and threatening to quit the game. I would just move on to the next character. So....move on to the next character.
areyes81 said: Adrock1020 said: fmftint said: You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers. You are naive and clearly don't have a max 5* my oml is lvl 462, that comes from that hard work you spoke of before the 5* pool was diluted and given horrible odds. My next 2 closest is 454 PHX and 451 SS, no other 5* is over 9 covers. Classics are so diluted that I only pull from latest in hopes of covering one before a new one comes out and they get regulated. It took me 1yr to cover 3 5* and at this rate will be 2 yrs before another one is. A diluted pool with horrible draw rates is why OML is popular even though he isn't the best. It's because at that level and MMR and a diluted pool, he is all folks have to survive. Otherwise they sell a max 5* and negate all the effort (and yes for some money) put into having a toon that helps against MMR where 70k Juggernauts in pve with cheap powers and against other OP 5*
Adrock1020 said: fmftint said: You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well It's not naivety, it's just averages. If you pulled say, 10 OML covers from LTs, then you should probably have about that many SS or Phoenix covers. Maybe a few less for BB, Goblin, BSS etc. I think it's pretty naive to think someone has fully covered OML and not a single other 5-star with at least 8 covers.
fmftint said: You're very naive. NO having one decent level 5 star DOES NOT mean you have others as well
carrion pigeons said: I wonder how much all of this nerfing will actually affect how much people play with OML. I mean, he's still a tank for PvE, and he hasn't been good in PvE for months anyway. For all that people are complaining, the character still looks pretty serviceable to me.Little more shocked at the Carnage thing. I thought they had finally gotten him into a position where he was fun and competitive. I thought it was deliberate. Now he's worse than he ever was.
Polares said: carrion pigeons said: I wonder how much all of this nerfing will actually affect how much people play with OML. I mean, he's still a tank for PvE, and he hasn't been good in PvE for months anyway. For all that people are complaining, the character still looks pretty serviceable to me.Little more shocked at the Carnage thing. I thought they had finally gotten him into a position where he was fun and competitive. I thought it was deliberate. Now he's worse than he ever was. I played against some teams with OML in PvP between yesterday and today, and he is a joke in defense now. Like completely useless, probably the WORST 5 in defense now, he can't do anything to hurt you (you still need to keep an eye for his transformation but that's it). Those PH+OML teams now are really easy to defeat.In PVE he is still useful as long you are not playing a 'hard' match. So for the first 2 or 3 matches of every node, he will still do his job.Carnage is now trash tier, without a doubt he is THE WORST 4 right now. His black and green are useless and his red is much worse now. This nerf makes no sense, I really don't understand why Devs did it. Seriously, he is the worst, much much worse than Venom and Reed right now.
Hey...don't bully reed. He's not bad at all. Although his best partners just got nerfed (OML, Carnage)
After playing with AV on Hulk PVE I think I misjudged him, boosted he is good. Carnage is not. Eddie (Venom) is not. They are bottom tier for me now.
jackstar0 said: What's strange to me is that Carnage was a decent healthpack suck, and thus should have been right in line with the experience they want to keep going... but now he's only a vague threat.
BoyWonder1914 said: The damage that her red and black does, even CHAMPED, is absolutely pathetic. Even 3 BoD trap tiles out at once isn't scaring anyone at the 3 and 4-star level. Not that Elektra was ever meant to be this 1-woman powerhouse, but her damage is laughably bad. I've had her fully covered for the better part of a year and still haven't bothered champing her. Probably wont.
udonomefoo said: I don't understand the Carnage changes at all. By making the black non-passive, you totally wrecked his green, which wasn't that great to begin with. It's a weird sideways-slight-nerf move and I don't get why they bothered.
Starfury said: udonomefoo said: I don't understand the Carnage changes at all. By making the black non-passive, you totally wrecked his green, which wasn't that great to begin with. It's a weird sideways-slight-nerf move and I don't get why they bothered. Put me down for confused as well. Yes, they removed the inescapable self damage which kept most people from using him.But with his new skillset they ruined him for teams that made use of his passive (no, I'm not paying 5ap to give the enemy free attack tiles) while leaving him as a rather weak character that can easily be replaced by dozens of better characters.