Brigby - Limited Vaults - Can we get input?

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  • DrDevilDinosaur
    DrDevilDinosaur Posts: 436 Mover and Shaker
    Why not make them 5 day vaults and use the DDQ Clash list delayed by 1.

    That is, current DD4* is Deadpool, so there's definitely a Deadpool cover in the DDQ Vault. Once that cycles, run a 5 day Deadpool vault so that people get a second chance at grabbing a cover. (Yes, yes, I know it would be better for players if the featured vault ran before the character was featured in DDQ, but lets also be realists here)

    If the featured vaults stick to the same cycle as DDQ then that creates a specific time frame where people know they have multiple opportunities at pulling a cover for any given character.
  • Ducky
    Ducky Posts: 2,255 Community Moderator
    The only input they care about for these limited time vaults are the metrics they receive as to who is buying and who is not. As long as people continue buying, they have no incentive to change the price tag.
  • MarkersMake
    MarkersMake Posts: 392 Mover and Shaker
    Punisher5784 wrote:
    2. Realistically, no one can save 3600 HP per week by playing the game. For instance, I earn all the HP in PVE, PVP, including VIP/Intercept and champ rewards, and I do not acquire that much HP in a week. Therefore, if someone really wants that specific cover then they will buy the HP on Day 1... not so much on Day 5.
    This. So much this.

    Whenever I see a new vault that I might want to buy, I immediately play as much as I can to save save save, and it's never enough. Just can't earn enough HP that fast.

    I guess I could add some of those newly earned HP to whatever balance I had before the vault went live, but that's just not the way I roll.

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  • MarkersMake
    MarkersMake Posts: 392 Mover and Shaker
    As a serious reply, I think running 3 simultaneous vaults (1 with each color of the featured character) would be a great solution.

    Need that 1 cover color? Buy one vault (or a few cracks at it). Want to whale that character? Well, whatever - buy 3 vaults if it tickles your fancy.
  • acescracked
    acescracked Posts: 1,197 Chairperson of the Boards
    ClydeFrog76 wrote:
    Brigby wrote:
    Thank you for bringing this subject up, Punisher. When it comes to the specifics regarding the design choice of number of pulls, vault content, etc, I'm afraid that is information I don't have access to.

    When it comes to the duration of the vaults though, to my understanding it's for 2 reasons:
      1. Allow players enough time, particularly those that do not log on frequently, to still be able to take advantage of the vault opportunity. 2. Allow players enough time to accumulate Hero Points, particularly those who dedicate themselves to completing missions in order to acquire them.

    Hope that helps!

    Players who don't log on frequently will have a lot less HP than those who do.
    A week isn't enough time to accumulate enough HP to take advantage of them.

    So...yeah. Not really convincing reasons.

    There sure is! That button in the upper right corner that allows players to purchase($$) HP.

    The game is designed to give out some HP but not enough for the normal player to be able to purchase slots & vaults. Players can be close which encourages buying HP.

    Promoting buying of HP is what the vaults are designed to do. That might be one of the reasons dailies were removed.

    You expect Brigby to come out and just state that? It's a continuing mystery why alot of forum posters can't grasp the free to play business model.
  • Twysta
    Twysta Posts: 1,597 Chairperson of the Boards
    I can't even...
    So at first people are complaining that the vaults aren't good value and they shouldn't have to spend HP on them to buy a 5 pack...
    And their solution now is that they want THREE of them?

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  • Punisher5784
    Punisher5784 Posts: 3,845 Chairperson of the Boards
    acescracked wrote:

    There sure is! That button in the upper right corner that allows players to purchase($$) HP.

    The game is designed to give out some HP but not enough for the normal player to be able to purchase slots & vaults. Players can be close which encourages buying HP.

    Promoting buying of HP is what the vaults are designed to do. That might be one of the reasons dailies were removed.

    You expect Brigby to come out and just state that? It's a continuing mystery why alot of forum posters can't grasp the free to play business model.
    Twysta wrote:
    I can't even...
    So at first people are complaining that the vaults aren't good value and they shouldn't have to spend HP on them to buy a 5 pack...
    And their solution now is that they want THREE of them?

    Most of us know how F2P works. Brigby's response for the 7-day long vaults is so we can save HP from playing. Clearly that's not possible. I can deal without the single pull and I completely understand why they removed it, but I figured I would still inquire about it. My two main issues are the length of the vault and the static cover. There are actually players that want to buy these vaults but they can't because they already have 5 covers of a character. It also does not help that these vaults are ridiculously long at 7-days, it will take forever to finally see the character/cover you want/need. As a result, players are now suggesting alternatives such as 3-vaults (1 of each color) or setting the vault to 5-days to match the DDQ Crash with that cover. I have also previously suggested having the 4* PVE essential be in these vaults. These suggestions make sense. The dev's random vaults do not.

    Again, we're trying to give them suggestions on how to sell these vaults. If we do not ask, if we do not make suggestions then nothing will change. Keep in mind that many changes that are implemented in this game are based on our feedback. Sometimes it takes a long time for them to listen or figure out a way to incorporate our ideas. Therefore, discouraging players from voicing their opinions is not helping. Either join in with positive feedback or simply ignore it. Thank you.

    Sincerely,

    -Punisher5784
  • MaskedMan
    MaskedMan Posts: 234 Tile Toppler
    Well for the length of time I assume it is because:

    1) not everyone logs in every day plus people go on vacation etc.
    2) Development on this system seems to be surprisingly time intensive so a 3 day rotation may not even be viable financially.

    Personally given the current pricing structure I feel they need to stick to Characters like Nova because there is no way I'm spending that kind of money on Mr Fantastic or the Incredibly Awful Hulk.
  • Brigby
    Brigby ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 7,757 Site Admin
    Punisher5784 wrote:
    Brigby's response for the 7-day long vaults is so we can save HP from playing. Clearly that's not possible.
    ...
    If we do not ask, if we do not make suggestions then nothing will change. Keep in mind that many changes that are implemented in this game are based on our feedback. Sometimes it takes a long time for them to listen or figure out a way to incorporate our ideas.
    I was more so referencing players that might already have some Hero Points lying around, who would only need to complete some more nodes or wait for next SHIELD Resupply, in order to have enough for the vault. I would speculate the intent was to offer some flexibility for those that fall into that category, as opposed to restricting it. Will every player fall into the first category? No, of course not, but the hope is that those who do would still get that equal opportunity.

    And that's true! The point of the forum is not just for community discussion, but also for allowing the players a platform to express their feedback. While it may be primarily myself that's the most visible on our end, rest assured that both D3 Go! and Demiurge actively peruse threads to get a better idea of how to improve the game. Time is also another factor, as sometimes the team might really like a community-submitted idea, but they need to figure out how to incorporate that from a development standpoint (programming capability, design balancing, UI design, etc etc.) All of that takes time.
  • mpqr7
    mpqr7 Posts: 2,642 Chairperson of the Boards
    The vaults are not useful to me personally, but if it's making them lots of money, then I am fine with them existing in their current form. I don't need to see them removed or improved.

    I do generally make enough HP from regular play that I could buy them out every now and then, but I tend to save my HP for truly special vaults, such as the PVP Matchmaking vault. From that one, I won three XFDPs, so that was nice.
  • Punisher5784
    Punisher5784 Posts: 3,845 Chairperson of the Boards
    Brigby wrote:
    Punisher5784 wrote:
    Brigby's response for the 7-day long vaults is so we can save HP from playing. Clearly that's not possible.
    ...
    If we do not ask, if we do not make suggestions then nothing will change. Keep in mind that many changes that are implemented in this game are based on our feedback. Sometimes it takes a long time for them to listen or figure out a way to incorporate our ideas.
    I was more so referencing players that might already have some Hero Points lying around, who would only need to complete some more nodes or wait for next SHIELD Resupply, in order to have enough for the vault. I would speculate the intent was to offer some flexibility for those that fall into that category, as opposed to restricting it. Will every player fall into the first category? No, of course not, but the hope is that those who do would still get that equal opportunity.

    And that's true! The point of the forum is not just for community discussion, but also for allowing the players a platform to express their feedback. While it may be primarily myself that's the most visible on our end, rest assured that both D3 Go! and Demiurge actively peruse threads to get a better idea of how to improve the game. Time is also another factor, as sometimes the team might really like a community-submitted idea, but they need to figure out how to incorporate that from a development standpoint (programming capability, design balancing, UI design, etc etc.) All of that takes time.

    Thank you Brigby. Obviously I do not want to keep bugging you on this. I know you try to do everything in your power for us. We appreciate your quick responses and honest feedback. Keep being you icon_e_smile.gif
  • Dayv
    Dayv Posts: 4,449 Chairperson of the Boards
    Twysta wrote:
    I can't even...
    So at first people are complaining that the vaults aren't good value and they shouldn't have to spend HP on them to buy a 5 pack...
    And their solution now is that they want THREE of them?
    Some people will always complain that the food is terrible and they want more of it. Humans are beautiful in their complexity.
  • ClydeFrog76
    ClydeFrog76 Posts: 1,350 Chairperson of the Boards
    acescracked wrote:
    Promoting buying of HP is what the vaults are designed to do. That might be one of the reasons dailies were removed.

    You expect Brigby to come out and just state that? It's a continuing mystery why alot of forum posters can't grasp the free to play business model.

    Thanks for the business lesson icon_rolleyes.gif

    No I don't expect him to say: LOL UR MEANT TO SPEND, SUCKAZ! But when he mentions "accumulating HP", it would seem to imply he's talking about in-game methods.
  • carrion_pigeons
    carrion_pigeons Posts: 942 Critical Contributor
    The problem with these vaults isn't really the price point, although the price point is definitely a bit on the dismal side. The problem is the fact that without a single pull option or the ability to reset them, they don't feel like vaults in the first place. They aren't *fun* like this. They have no play to them.

    They're a very slightly better deal than buying 1-ofs of heroic tokens. That's fine, but hardly something to get worked up over. The announcement every week is kinda like the mailbox full of grocery store ads telling you that you can get 5 cents off every can of green beans you buy this week. It's fine, but I'm only going to actually do something about it maybe once a year, and there are sure an awful lot of exclamation points in the ad for something so mundane.
  • herm1978
    herm1978 Posts: 153 Tile Toppler
    DayvBang wrote:
    Twysta wrote:
    I can't even...
    So at first people are complaining that the vaults aren't good value and they shouldn't have to spend HP on them to buy a 5 pack...
    And their solution now is that they want THREE of them?
    Some people will always complain that the food is terrible and they want more of it. Humans are beautiful in their complexity.

    Or maybe, just maybe, it is different people complaining?
  • DrDevilDinosaur
    DrDevilDinosaur Posts: 436 Mover and Shaker
    Elektra is this week's Crash, and this week's limited vault.
    It's still 7 days, but baby steps.
    DrDevilDinosaur wrote:
    Why not make them 5 day vaults and use the DDQ Clash list delayed by 1.

    That is, current DD4* is Deadpool, so there's definitely a Deadpool cover in the DDQ Vault. Once that cycles, run a 5 day Deadpool vault so that people get a second chance at grabbing a cover. (Yes, yes, I know it would be better for players if the featured vault ran before the character was featured in DDQ, but lets also be realists here)

    If the featured vaults stick to the same cycle as DDQ then that creates a specific time frame where people know they have multiple opportunities at pulling a cover for any given character.
  • Nick441234
    Nick441234 Posts: 1,496 Chairperson of the Boards
    Its a pretty awful vault though. There isn't a single cover in there I'd be remotely pleased about getting, even for free. icon_lol.gif

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