cardoor wrote: ronin-san wrote: Daredevil217 wrote: I didn't rank 4s and 5s, but here's my list: Eschewing the wall of text. Dude. Beast's WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than the 4 you gave him. He certainly rates above Hulk. Ragnarok's better than a 1. He's a 5. Psylocke and Punisher have been victims of power creep, but they're 5's as well. I rated Beast a 7. His blue goes off in one turn, and makes his green do Hulk-like damage to the enemy team for one less AP spent. His AoE's a green, which means it's most likely to go off given the number of green generators. Additionally, his green does double damage if **ANY** friendly blue tiles are in play, including free timer tiles from Scarlet Witch, or Daredevil's recurring blue, Cap's blue, etc... Ragnarok's best treated as a utility character. And while he's not the 2AP spam machine he was, he's not in any way a 1. He has 10K HPs, a self heal which makes Kamala heal the team (for free), and generates green charged tiles. That'd suck if it weren't for the near dozens of green-generating abilities in 3* land. Add to the fact he has 10K HP, and he's much more likely to survive a hit from XFW or Hulkbuster than say, Patch, Hood, Daken, or Loki. Ragnarok is NOT a 1. Sentry, for that matter, is not a 2. Nor is Spider-Man a 1. Guy. You need more time with the game. They're not great. They're not terrible. I agree with you about Beast and Rags. I don't think I rated anyone under 5, but if I did (it has been a few days) it would have been Sentry or Bagman. I only handed out 3 or 4 10's across all the levels too, so most of my ratings are in the 6-9 range. I don't regret that, because even though there are some standout characters, overall they are fairly balanced. Edit: just want to add that Vision and Falcon should be higher using PVE criteria. If it is just PVP, then yeah AI doesn't use them well, but when you are in control they are both very powerful.
ronin-san wrote: Daredevil217 wrote: I didn't rank 4s and 5s, but here's my list: Eschewing the wall of text. Dude. Beast's WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than the 4 you gave him. He certainly rates above Hulk. Ragnarok's better than a 1. He's a 5. Psylocke and Punisher have been victims of power creep, but they're 5's as well. I rated Beast a 7. His blue goes off in one turn, and makes his green do Hulk-like damage to the enemy team for one less AP spent. His AoE's a green, which means it's most likely to go off given the number of green generators. Additionally, his green does double damage if **ANY** friendly blue tiles are in play, including free timer tiles from Scarlet Witch, or Daredevil's recurring blue, Cap's blue, etc... Ragnarok's best treated as a utility character. And while he's not the 2AP spam machine he was, he's not in any way a 1. He has 10K HPs, a self heal which makes Kamala heal the team (for free), and generates green charged tiles. That'd suck if it weren't for the near dozens of green-generating abilities in 3* land. Add to the fact he has 10K HP, and he's much more likely to survive a hit from XFW or Hulkbuster than say, Patch, Hood, Daken, or Loki. Ragnarok is NOT a 1. Sentry, for that matter, is not a 2. Nor is Spider-Man a 1. Guy. You need more time with the game. They're not great. They're not terrible.
Daredevil217 wrote: I didn't rank 4s and 5s, but here's my list:
udonomefoo wrote: To me, if you didn't rate anyone below 5, then you're not doing it right. The 1-10 rating scale only measures the characters against each other. IMO, Rags and Sentry absolutely belong in the 1-2 range. Who is worse? No one. That's why they are 1s or 2s. I read Ronin's post and it started off ok, I agree about Beast, but went totally off the rails after that. If there are no characters lower than 5, then why don't we just rank them on a scale of 5-10? We could do 1-5, but then we'd have to argue again about who's not a 1.
PeterGibbons316 wrote: udonomefoo wrote: To me, if you didn't rate anyone below 5, then you're not doing it right. The 1-10 rating scale only measures the characters against each other. IMO, Rags and Sentry absolutely belong in the 1-2 range. Who is worse? No one. That's why they are 1s or 2s. I read Ronin's post and it started off ok, I agree about Beast, but went totally off the rails after that. If there are no characters lower than 5, then why don't we just rank them on a scale of 5-10? We could do 1-5, but then we'd have to argue again about who's not a 1. Exactly this. If you don't have at least one 1 and at least one 10 then you aren't using the scale properly. If you gave Beast a 5, and you have no one lower than 5....he is a 1.
udonomefoo wrote: cardoor wrote: ronin-san wrote: Daredevil217 wrote: I didn't rank 4s and 5s, but here's my list: Eschewing the wall of text. Dude. Beast's WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than the 4 you gave him. He certainly rates above Hulk. Ragnarok's better than a 1. He's a 5. Psylocke and Punisher have been victims of power creep, but they're 5's as well. I rated Beast a 7. His blue goes off in one turn, and makes his green do Hulk-like damage to the enemy team for one less AP spent. His AoE's a green, which means it's most likely to go off given the number of green generators. Additionally, his green does double damage if **ANY** friendly blue tiles are in play, including free timer tiles from Scarlet Witch, or Daredevil's recurring blue, Cap's blue, etc... Ragnarok's best treated as a utility character. And while he's not the 2AP spam machine he was, he's not in any way a 1. He has 10K HPs, a self heal which makes Kamala heal the team (for free), and generates green charged tiles. That'd suck if it weren't for the near dozens of green-generating abilities in 3* land. Add to the fact he has 10K HP, and he's much more likely to survive a hit from XFW or Hulkbuster than say, Patch, Hood, Daken, or Loki. Ragnarok is NOT a 1. Sentry, for that matter, is not a 2. Nor is Spider-Man a 1. Guy. You need more time with the game. They're not great. They're not terrible. I agree with you about Beast and Rags. I don't think I rated anyone under 5, but if I did (it has been a few days) it would have been Sentry or Bagman. I only handed out 3 or 4 10's across all the levels too, so most of my ratings are in the 6-9 range. I don't regret that, because even though there are some standout characters, overall they are fairly balanced. Edit: just want to add that Vision and Falcon should be higher using PVE criteria. If it is just PVP, then yeah AI doesn't use them well, but when you are in control they are both very powerful. To me, if you didn't rate anyone below 5, then you're not doing it right. The 1-10 rating scale only measures the characters against each other. IMO, Rags and Sentry absolutely belong in the 1-2 range. Who is worse? No one. That's why they are 1s or 2s. I read Ronin's post and it started off ok, I agree about Beast, but went totally off the rails after that. If there are no characters lower than 5, then why don't we just rank them on a scale of 5-10? We could do 1-5, but then we'd have to argue again about who's not a 1.
PeterGibbons316 wrote: udonomefoo wrote: To me, if you didn't rate anyone below 5, then you're not doing it right. ... Exactly this. If you don't have at least one 1 and at least one 10 then you aren't using the scale properly. If you gave Beast a 5, and you have no one lower than 5....he is a 1.
udonomefoo wrote: To me, if you didn't rate anyone below 5, then you're not doing it right. ...
Daredevil217 wrote: ... Making a 5 your floor is kind of silly, but to each their own. ...
cardoor wrote: PeterGibbons316 wrote: udonomefoo wrote: To me, if you didn't rate anyone below 5, then you're not doing it right. ... Exactly this. If you don't have at least one 1 and at least one 10 then you aren't using the scale properly. If you gave Beast a 5, and you have no one lower than 5....he is a 1. Daredevil217 wrote: ... Making a 5 your floor is kind of silly, but to each their own. ... 1-4 were still available to me if I thought one of the super heroes deserved it. Here is an example of rating something else that might help you understand where I am coming from. If you had to choose between two people you thought were extremely attractive, one of the two would still win. It would not change your opinion that the other is still to your liking though (or should be rated a 1).
Daredevil217 wrote: cardoor wrote: PeterGibbons316 wrote: udonomefoo wrote: To me, if you didn't rate anyone below 5, then you're not doing it right. ... Exactly this. If you don't have at least one 1 and at least one 10 then you aren't using the scale properly. If you gave Beast a 5, and you have no one lower than 5....he is a 1. Daredevil217 wrote: ... Making a 5 your floor is kind of silly, but to each their own. ... 1-4 were still available to me if I thought one of the super heroes deserved it. Here is an example of rating something else that might help you understand where I am coming from. If you had to choose between two people you thought were extremely attractive, one of the two would still win. It would not change your opinion that the other is still to your liking though (or should be rated a 1). One of the two would win what? Girl A: Rated a 10, Girl B: Rated an 8 Girl A: Rated a 10, Girl B: Rated a 2 The ratings are different, but the ranking is still the same: 1. Girl A 2. Girl B ...
Daredevil217 wrote: cardoor wrote: PeterGibbons316 wrote: udonomefoo wrote: To me, if you didn't rate anyone below 5, then you're not doing it right. ... Exactly this. If you don't have at least one 1 and at least one 10 then you aren't using the scale properly. If you gave Beast a 5, and you have no one lower than 5....he is a 1. Daredevil217 wrote: ... Making a 5 your floor is kind of silly, but to each their own. ... 1-4 were still available to me if I thought one of the super heroes deserved it. Here is an example of rating something else that might help you understand where I am coming from. If you had to choose between two people you thought were extremely attractive, one of the two would still win. It would not change your opinion that the other is still to your liking though (or should be rated a 1). One of the two would win what? Girl A: Rated a 10, Girl B: Rated an 8 Girl A: Rated a 10, Girl B: Rated a 2 The ratings are different, but the ranking is still the same: 1. Girl A 2. Girl B Again, win what? A date? A night of fun? Either way, we're all picking girl A. Similarly, what does a character "win" by being ranked above another character? For me I determine who to invest in, level up, play more, face less, etc. based on these rankings. So let's look at my 3's again...In the second set, it's much harder to rank characters 1-40 (which is ultimately, exactly what will come of this) when they are all rated the same.
Moovine wrote: When's the cut off for posting the results of this? I've got characters I need to retire to make way for 4-star and 5-star characters -- Moovinehttp://mpq.gamependium.com/rosters/Moovine/
Daredevil217 wrote: I miss the old version where we ranked them 1 to however many characters there are because it created more variation. It's harder only having 10 different tiers for 40 characters (3* land). About to complete it now. Will post my rankings when I'm done! Edit: I didn't rank 4s and 5s, but here's my list:
Daredevil217 wrote: cardoor wrote: PeterGibbons316 wrote: udonomefoo wrote: To me, if you didn't rate anyone below 5, then you're not doing it right. ... Exactly this. If you don't have at least one 1 and at least one 10 then you aren't using the scale properly. If you gave Beast a 5, and you have no one lower than 5....he is a 1. Daredevil217 wrote: ... Making a 5 your floor is kind of silly, but to each their own. ... 1-4 were still available to me if I thought one of the super heroes deserved it. Here is an example of rating something else that might help you understand where I am coming from. If you had to choose between two people you thought were extremely attractive, one of the two would still win. It would not change your opinion that the other is still to your liking though (or should be rated a 1). One of the two would win what? Girl A: Rated a 10, Girl B: Rated an 8 Girl A: Rated a 10, Girl B: Rated a 2 The ratings are different, but the ranking is still the same: 1. Girl A 2. Girl B Again, win what? A date? A night of fun? Either way, we're all picking girl A. Similarly, what does a character "win" by being ranked above another character? For me I determine who to invest in, level up, play more, face less, etc. based on these rankings. So let's look at my 3's again... Cyclops (Uncanny X-Men) 10 Iron Fist (Immortal Weapon) 10 Luke Cage (Hero For Hire) 10 Scarlet Witch (Wanda Maximoff) 10 Iron Man (Model 40) 9 Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel) 9 Loki (Dark Reign) 9 Magneto (Classic) 9 The Hood (Classic) 9 Blade (Daywalker) 8 Black Panther (T'Challa) 8 Deadpool (It's Me, Deadpool!) 8 Steve Rogers (Super Soldier) 8 Wolverine (Patch) 8 Black Widow (Grey Suit) 7 Daken (Classic) 7 She-Hulk (Modern) 7 Thor (Modern) 7 Doctor Doom (Classic) 6 Gamora (Guardians of the Galaxy) 6 Rocket & Groot (Most Wanted) 6 Storm (Mohawk) 6 The Hulk (Indestructible) 6 Bullseye (Classic) 5 Daredevil (Man Without Fear) 5 Human Torch (Classic) 5 Mystique (Raven Darkholme) 5 Beast (Classic) 4 Captain Marvel (Modern) 4 Punisher (Dark Reign) 4 Sam Wilson (Falcon) 4 Quicksilver (Pietro Maximoff) 4 Squirrel Girl (Unbeatable) 3 Colossus (Classic) 3 Psylocke (Classic) 3 Vision (Android Avenger) 3 Doctor Octopus (Otto Octavius) 2 Sentry (Dark Avengers) 2 Spider-Man (Classic) 1 Ragnarok (Dark Avengers) 1 Now lets convert them to your scale: Cyclops (Uncanny X-Men) 10 Iron Fist (Immortal Weapon) 10 Luke Cage (Hero For Hire) 10 Scarlet Witch (Wanda Maximoff) 10 Iron Man (Model 40) 10 Kamala Khan (Ms. Marvel) 10 Loki (Dark Reign) 10 Magneto (Classic) 10 The Hood (Classic) 10 Blade (Daywalker) 9 Black Panther (T'Challa) 9 Deadpool (It's Me, Deadpool!) 9 Steve Rogers (Super Soldier) 9 Wolverine (Patch) 9 Black Widow (Grey Suit) 9 Daken (Classic) 9 She-Hulk (Modern) 9 Thor (Modern) 9 Doctor Doom (Classic) 8 Gamora (Guardians of the Galaxy) 8 Rocket & Groot (Most Wanted) 8 Storm (Mohawk) 8 The Hulk (Indestructible) 8 Bullseye (Classic) 8 Daredevil (Man Without Fear) 8 Human Torch (Classic) 8 Mystique (Raven Darkholme) 8 Beast (Classic) 7 Captain Marvel (Modern) 7 Punisher (Dark Reign) 7 Sam Wilson (Falcon) 7 Quicksilver (Pietro Maximoff) 7 Squirrel Girl (Unbeatable) 7 Colossus (Classic) 7 Psylocke (Classic) 7 Vision (Android Avenger) 7 Doctor Octopus (Otto Octavius) 6 Sentry (Dark Avengers) 6 Spider-Man (Classic) 5 Ragnarok (Dark Avengers) 5 In the second set, it's much harder to rank characters 1-40 (which is ultimately, exactly what will come of this) when they are all rated the same.
cardoor wrote: Why not just rank them honestly and call it a day? If girl B is an 8 just rank her at 8. Trying to game the rankings in order to give those you think are 10's more contrast actually makes the rankings less accurate. If someone thinks a character should be ranked under 5, great (as long as that is their real opinion)
Ruibarian wrote: Yo, you've got some weird **** priorities if you think Punisher and QS are on the same level as Falcon and worse than Mystique and Bullseye. Also, 7 for Thor? and a 9 for IM40? Are you high?
Ruibarian wrote: I get exactly what you're saying here, but we're not comparing each list in and of itself, we're comparing everyone's ranking. There are absolutely 1's at every level, i.e. a character you're NEVER going to level (At least, that's how I chose my 1's.) Most of my characters fell above a 5 because I think most characters are pretty good options. Yeah, we all know IF, Cyke, Cage and SWitch run away with the competition and arguably Blade and KK are part of that group of elites, but the list isn't really about those obvious facts, it's about the subtleties. How good do people think Doom or MoStorm are? In my PvE Alliance, LCap is a lot more liked; Vision and Bullseye are a lot better because you don't get crapped on when you're on defense. Is CMags better than BP? DP? I think this rating is wildly different for people who have XFW. Sentry is super annoying in PvP, but in PvE, where team self-damage matters a lot more since you're trying to completely avoid any damage on Goon nodes, he's a lot less useful Just my insights. Ock is also a lot better in PvP with Goons feeding his black.
Daredevil217 wrote: cardoor wrote: Why not just rank them honestly and call it a day? If girl B is an 8 just rank her at 8. Trying to game the rankings in order to give those you think are 10's more contrast actually makes the rankings less accurate. If someone thinks a character should be ranked under 5, great (as long as that is their real opinion) Well if I'm being honest, I don't see Loki and Iron Fist as on the same level. So rating them both 10s seems silly. I've essentially broken each star level up into 10 "tiers" of characters. First tier, second tier, etc. you did the same but used 5 tiers instead of ten. Either way, the end result is going to be the same. Just those who used a 10 point scale had more variability between characters than those who used a 5 point scale.