Most cost effective way to compete for 4*s? (specific case)

Seasick Pirate wrote:

Finding 3-star teams that can dispatch X-Force/Thor teams fast enough for hopping has been my greatest difficulty. I've only been able to hit 1000 points one time. Usually, I have a hard time getting much more than 800 points. That's when attacks become relentless for me, forcing a shield. From there, I can find valuable opponents for hops, but by the time I've taken them down, I have 2 or 3 attacks and come out with less points than I started with.

Seasick Pirate wrote:

I only attempt 2 matches per hop (3 if I really need the points, and willing to take the risk) and always fully boosted. I actually think I cheesed my way to 1000 by using WHALES a couple times.

I actually haven't tried Patch/Hulk yet but considering it for Fist Bump after reading this.
On the topic of Iron fist, I always wondered if scoring high is made easier or harder in a character's debut featured. It 's easer to take down teams with low-leveled featureds, but that also means you're probably using a low-leveled featured (who is taking up space) as well.

Phantron wrote:

If you're not a collector, you most certainly don't need to keep a spot for someone like Beast.

Vhailorx wrote:

I do hate to spend all that HP on xforce (and I am sure I will pull a cover of his immediately afterwards).

On the other hand, my HP pile has grown pretty consistently over the last several months (my average income outstrips shield costs, so it's only roster slots that are really taxing my HP income, and I still have a few 2*s and duplicate 3*s that I could stand to lose), so maybe maxing xforce is a good way to spend the capital that I have already earned in game.

Am I right to assume that 3/5/3 is preferable to 4/4/3 for an xforce build?

Phantron wrote:

Lerysh wrote:

Phantron wrote:

The most effective way to complete a 4* is save up 2500 HP (or more) because if we're talking about completing Thor or X Force, it is indeed a 'got to have X Force/Thor to get X Force/Thor' issue. Sure, you can do clever things with shield hopping but if you could reliably do it, you wouldn't be asking this question in the first place, and of course then there's the fact that it can take a long time before the covers you need are even available given they're rotated through every character/color combination, so even if you can always hit 1000 it'd take several months to complete an X Force or Thor from scratch. You can accumulate a lot of HP by just shielding less (or not at all) on events that don't matter (which should be most of them if you're trying to transition to 4*) and don't waste HP on roster slots when you can instead drop a 1/2 you'll never use. If you're not a collector, you most certainly don't need to keep a spot for someone like Beast. If he's going to featured in the next PvE event, he'll always be offered in the event before and you better be able to make at least T150 if you're serious about transitioning to 4*.

The most COST effective way is most certainly not spending thousands of per cover. C'mon Phantron, you can not be this jaded. I think perhaps you forget what it was like to not have XF on your roster.

It is possible to hit 1000 with 3*s. It was possible to get to 1300 as well. The new shield hop dynamic does pose difficulties with shield hopping. You can either start with about 24 hours to go and then go 3-8-8-3 to get from about 800 to 1000 or you can join with like 10h to go, fight through the hits and climb your score using 3h sheild to recharge . Granted the second method works better with XF/Thor already on your team but it's still a possibility.

Also now with DDQ, not keeping Beast is like asking to lose 2000 iso.

Why do people keep on try to justify that there's a stupidity tax in this game for being a collector? D3 pretty much flat out says they don't think the roster slot is a problem becase your own problem for collecting characters that have no purpose. I pay the tax too but I don't pretend Beast is going to totally justify that 750 HP it took in roster slot because every month I get 2000 more iso on a daily event. If you want to waste your HP collecting useless characters go for it. I do that myself, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Your 3rd page of characters (14 slots) is likely to cost you at least 5000 HP and I see plenty of people with weak roster that have that many pages. For 5000 HP you can take an unplayable 3/3/3 X Force to a 3/5/3 where he's certainly at least a top tier 3* at that point. Do people value their time as so worthless that you don't care it takes you months before you can remotely enjoy the game? I mean from what I get a lot of people seems to think this game is pretty dumb when you get ran over by X Force/Thor, which is not necessarily a wrong statement, and all the comments I see are like, "Don't worry just keep getting ran over for 5 months since that's how much time it'd take before enough X Force covers would be rotated in 1000 PvP threshold and then it'll all be better". Seems to me that is a statement spoken by someone who obviously has no idea what it's like to be without X Force. Having some kind of rite of initiation doesn't work for MMORPG ever since WoW came out and hasn't worked for anything else in a long time. I don't need a game that's unplayable for 5 months just because it might get better, especially not when there's a way to drastically cut down that time without even spending money. Now if someone doesn't mind getting ran over in PvP sure you can take the time and keep your useless characters that will never amount to anything, but I don't see how you can possibly advice the generic "this game isn't enjoyable without X Force" guys, which are usually the guys asking how to get X Force, and tell them just keep wasting HP on useless stuff while they continue to not enjoy the game.