Phaserhawk wrote: It's comforting to know, that if X-Force or 4hor ever get nerfed, I have Cyclops to pick up the slack and the only thing you are really losing is the health and of course true heal of Wolvie, aside from that, speed and damage is about even.
ark123 wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: It's comforting to know, that if X-Force or 4hor ever get nerfed, I have Cyclops to pick up the slack and the only thing you are really losing is the health and of course true heal of Wolvie, aside from that, speed and damage is about even. And the drain. And cascades. And a green that does a million damage for 8ap. and 3k health. Other than that, yeah, same character
Phaserhawk wrote: So if X-Force disappeared today would Cyclops be the most likely replacement? Your damn right he would
Phaserhawk wrote: ark123 wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: It's comforting to know, that if X-Force or 4hor ever get nerfed, I have Cyclops to pick up the slack and the only thing you are really losing is the health and of course true heal of Wolvie, aside from that, speed and damage is about even. And the drain. And cascades. And a green that does a million damage for 8ap. and 3k health. Other than that, yeah, same character X-Force Green--3441 base damge at best 1230 (if he destroyed 15 green tiles) of the 15 tiles destroyed (not very likely) plus whatever cascade Optic Blast--4283 dmg plus cascasde assuming cascades are equal-- X-Force--3441 + (500 up to 1230) -4200 probably safe estimate 525 dmg per AP averge Optic--4283 = 428 dmg per AP Green vs. Red--Advantage X-Force but not a bad try for a 3*, not to mention Cyclops dmg constant, X-Force not Surgical Strike--(assuming 9 tiles taken and green)--522 x 9 = 4698 + 4200 from another X-Force--8898 Full Blast--8171 dmg assuming 10 red again not bad for a 3* So despite your sarcasm, yes Cyclops is an amzing 3* that sure could never replace an X-Force, but the dmg difference is very small, and like I said before it's more about the health and the true heal is the bigger difference. In addition Cyclops also can accelerate himself with his yellow which plays similar to Surgical Strikes bonus of the AP steal. So if X-Force disappeared today would Cyclops be the most likely replacement? Your damn right he would
ark123 wrote: Okay I was wrong on this one. He's actually pretty fun to play and the red conversion comes up a surprising number of times - it's actually kinda great with goddess if you don't have a loki.
ark123 wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: So if X-Force disappeared today would Cyclops be the most likely replacement? Your damn right he would Sure, if loki and hood also disappeared
Switchman wrote: ark123 wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: So if X-Force disappeared today would Cyclops be the most likely replacement? Your damn right he would Sure, if loki and hood also disappeared If I wasn't having to save ISO/HP for xforce daily rewards I would be really tempted to dump it in cyclops. I use 4Thor/Loki 99% of the time in pvp. Loki is great at keeping Xforce/etc from getting off attacks while I match red/blue, assuming I can trick AI into match4. Loki also tremendously helps at shaking up board for cheap to match red/blue. Cyclops could generate red, utilizing all of the yellow I stockpile from 4Thor's blue. He could also kill ppl with Black. Can't comment on red since I have 0 covers. Loki has obvious advantage on AI defense, but damn Cyclops really speeds up kills for shield hopping. Loki's animations take forever.
ark123 wrote: Switchman wrote: ark123 wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: So if X-Force disappeared today would Cyclops be the most likely replacement? Your damn right he would Sure, if loki and hood also disappeared If I wasn't having to save ISO/HP for xforce daily rewards I would be really tempted to dump it in cyclops. I use 4Thor/Loki 99% of the time in pvp. Loki is great at keeping Xforce/etc from getting off attacks while I match red/blue, assuming I can trick AI into match4. Loki also tremendously helps at shaking up board for cheap to match red/blue. Cyclops could generate red, utilizing all of the yellow I stockpile from 4Thor's blue. He could also kill ppl with Black. Can't comment on red since I have 0 covers. Loki has obvious advantage on AI defense, but damn Cyclops really speeds up kills for shield hopping. Loki's animations take forever. Yes, they do, which is why many avoid him while hopping
Lerysh wrote: I've been running Cyclops/T4or/Groot and then Cyclops/T4or/XF in the PvE and it's pretty amazing. Hood and Loki are gimick characters with please kill me to the face with boosts amout of health. Cyclops has more health than most 3*s as well as some damn amazing abilities to boot. Why wouldn't you run T4or/Cyclops if for some reason XF was unavailable? OK, lack of green, maybe, depending on the PvP required character, but to deny Cyke and Thor make good partners is insainity. They work quite well together. I just finished my run up to 1000 points in Cyclops PvP, using predictably Cyke/XF/Thor. Took 2 hours. Plus one 3h shield later (and 100 on AP boosts) and for 175 I got a Cyke Yellow and a Elektra Black. Pretty good stuff. All thanks to the speed boost the Cyke gives to Thor. I even used Cyke's Black a few times because it's damage is above that of SS in some cases (like when you are taking purple). Of course XF's speed is undeinable and Cyke won't take his place as the main duo for PvP (and likely no one ever will for a while), but in PvE when you can bring 3 characters he becomes a pretty good choice. Worth ISO at the very least. Bumped mine to level 104 (soft cap) and I'm not sorry I did.
Nymr83 wrote: This reading list is woefully abbreviated as Cyclops has one of the longest and most detailed backstories of anyone in comics. Whoever suggested skipping X-Factor is on crack, the entire run is great from #1 straight through til the cast changes and the original X-Men are divided between the then new X-Men book and Uncanny X-Men again.
Mavrek32 wrote: Without a 4*, how good is Cyclops in PvP?