gobstopper wrote: raisinbman wrote: homeinvasion wrote: I think Gamora is really lazy character design. there is already Punisher, HT, or even Psylocke with a better color combo that fill this low cost damage slot. Even worse, for her black to be any good, you need to have her tanking multiple colors, which is completely counter intuitive. Gamora is going into the never played basket with Beast for me. Dev 1 "oh no we made another HT, Punisher" Dev 2" Give her 8K health" Dev1 "genius" I can't help thinking where is all the money going because these unbalanced no reason characters must be pretty easy to bang out and just seems like a smoke screen to cover up the lack of any actual PVE or PVP content, that doesn't consist of a new skin for an event. Honestly same events different rewards and occasionally different characters, but all in all this is the same game I played 6 months ago, verbatim. I am starting to believe the theory that D3 don't even know why this game is good they just got lucky and are riding the success wave as long as they can without making the game progress that is needed to sustain a community. She's a "middle" character. Not great, but not bad. I think her red is the most exciting/has the most potential thing they've provided, and who knows, we may get the tools to properly use her later on. These type of characters are introduced(typically, can't speak for this case) to be an option, not the best option, but an option nonetheless. And as for her "use" in the big picture, its as another body/powered up/essential character. As has been discussed to death, the tier list isn't really effected by her introduction. On a personal note, I'm glad she isn't ridiculously powerful so the whales/166 brigade won't absolutely thrash me in trying to get her. I'm just glad she's not a beast/doc ock. Could she use a buff? Sure. But she'd have to get in a long, long line. The whales/166 brigade will thrash you in trying to get every new character, even if it's 3* Bag-Man
raisinbman wrote: homeinvasion wrote: I think Gamora is really lazy character design. there is already Punisher, HT, or even Psylocke with a better color combo that fill this low cost damage slot. Even worse, for her black to be any good, you need to have her tanking multiple colors, which is completely counter intuitive. Gamora is going into the never played basket with Beast for me. Dev 1 "oh no we made another HT, Punisher" Dev 2" Give her 8K health" Dev1 "genius" I can't help thinking where is all the money going because these unbalanced no reason characters must be pretty easy to bang out and just seems like a smoke screen to cover up the lack of any actual PVE or PVP content, that doesn't consist of a new skin for an event. Honestly same events different rewards and occasionally different characters, but all in all this is the same game I played 6 months ago, verbatim. I am starting to believe the theory that D3 don't even know why this game is good they just got lucky and are riding the success wave as long as they can without making the game progress that is needed to sustain a community. She's a "middle" character. Not great, but not bad. I think her red is the most exciting/has the most potential thing they've provided, and who knows, we may get the tools to properly use her later on. These type of characters are introduced(typically, can't speak for this case) to be an option, not the best option, but an option nonetheless. And as for her "use" in the big picture, its as another body/powered up/essential character. As has been discussed to death, the tier list isn't really effected by her introduction. On a personal note, I'm glad she isn't ridiculously powerful so the whales/166 brigade won't absolutely thrash me in trying to get her. I'm just glad she's not a beast/doc ock. Could she use a buff? Sure. But she'd have to get in a long, long line.
homeinvasion wrote: I think Gamora is really lazy character design. there is already Punisher, HT, or even Psylocke with a better color combo that fill this low cost damage slot. Even worse, for her black to be any good, you need to have her tanking multiple colors, which is completely counter intuitive. Gamora is going into the never played basket with Beast for me. Dev 1 "oh no we made another HT, Punisher" Dev 2" Give her 8K health" Dev1 "genius" I can't help thinking where is all the money going because these unbalanced no reason characters must be pretty easy to bang out and just seems like a smoke screen to cover up the lack of any actual PVE or PVP content, that doesn't consist of a new skin for an event. Honestly same events different rewards and occasionally different characters, but all in all this is the same game I played 6 months ago, verbatim. I am starting to believe the theory that D3 don't even know why this game is good they just got lucky and are riding the success wave as long as they can without making the game progress that is needed to sustain a community.
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Phaserhawk wrote: Not sure why all the hate on her. She has one of the top 5 Green's in the game, possible you could argue #3. Obvious 1. is X-Force, followed by 2. Call of the Storm. 3. Could be many Sniper Rifle Skull Cracker Blammo! Beserker Rage Lightning Strike I would argue that while Sniper Rifle is the best green skill overall due to sheer power, you don't use it very often, in terms of useable skills I would put Skull, Blammo and Lightning all at the #3 spot, the only reason I say no to Beserker Rage is that it can backfire. We compare everything to X-Force which is not fair, if X-Force was still X-Farce, I think people would be saying that Gamora is a top tier chracter. I think people understimate the 2 turn stun I mean that's up to 6 free AP As for her Black, I'm still undecided, the problem is I don't have her leveled up enough to see the benefit from this, much like TBTI, if she's all that's left on the board this skill is lethal however you aren't going to ever really get more than 9 strike tiles on average, even if she's all that's left, because they only go to yellow tiles. I just realized this, which is why I'm starting to lean towards 5/5/3 as the better build, even if X-Force never existed. Even if she tanks 3 colors you are looking at an average of 7 tiles, and if she tanks only 2 in a balanced team, she's only going to be making 4. I think you would be better served by stunning 2 characters for 2 turns over some strike tiles that Black Panther could kick out that are better and cheaper. To me even if there was no X-Force Black Panther would be more useful than her black.
NorthernPolarity wrote: The whole point of Gamora's red is that its cheap and you use it with strike tiles out. All of these comments saying it is weak is like saying Smite is weak because they didn't use power surge before it.
NorthernPolarity wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: Not sure why all the hate on her. She has one of the top 5 Green's in the game, possible you could argue #3. Obvious 1. is X-Force, followed by 2. Call of the Storm. 3. Could be many Sniper Rifle Skull Cracker Blammo! Beserker Rage Lightning Strike I would argue that while Sniper Rifle is the best green skill overall due to sheer power, you don't use it very often, in terms of useable skills I would put Skull, Blammo and Lightning all at the #3 spot, the only reason I say no to Beserker Rage is that it can backfire. We compare everything to X-Force which is not fair, if X-Force was still X-Farce, I think people would be saying that Gamora is a top tier chracter. I think people understimate the 2 turn stun I mean that's up to 6 free AP As for her Black, I'm still undecided, the problem is I don't have her leveled up enough to see the benefit from this, much like TBTI, if she's all that's left on the board this skill is lethal however you aren't going to ever really get more than 9 strike tiles on average, even if she's all that's left, because they only go to yellow tiles. I just realized this, which is why I'm starting to lean towards 5/5/3 as the better build, even if X-Force never existed. Even if she tanks 3 colors you are looking at an average of 7 tiles, and if she tanks only 2 in a balanced team, she's only going to be making 4. I think you would be better served by stunning 2 characters for 2 turns over some strike tiles that Black Panther could kick out that are better and cheaper. To me even if there was no X-Force Black Panther would be more useful than her black. Her black gives you 1k worth of strike tiles for 12ap, BP gives 525 for 9AP: I don't know how you would call BP's strictly better.
Phaserhawk wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: Not sure why all the hate on her. She has one of the top 5 Green's in the game, possible you could argue #3. Obvious 1. is X-Force, followed by 2. Call of the Storm. 3. Could be many Sniper Rifle Skull Cracker Blammo! Beserker Rage Lightning Strike I would argue that while Sniper Rifle is the best green skill overall due to sheer power, you don't use it very often, in terms of useable skills I would put Skull, Blammo and Lightning all at the #3 spot, the only reason I say no to Beserker Rage is that it can backfire. We compare everything to X-Force which is not fair, if X-Force was still X-Farce, I think people would be saying that Gamora is a top tier chracter. I think people understimate the 2 turn stun I mean that's up to 6 free AP As for her Black, I'm still undecided, the problem is I don't have her leveled up enough to see the benefit from this, much like TBTI, if she's all that's left on the board this skill is lethal however you aren't going to ever really get more than 9 strike tiles on average, even if she's all that's left, because they only go to yellow tiles. I just realized this, which is why I'm starting to lean towards 5/5/3 as the better build, even if X-Force never existed. Even if she tanks 3 colors you are looking at an average of 7 tiles, and if she tanks only 2 in a balanced team, she's only going to be making 4. I think you would be better served by stunning 2 characters for 2 turns over some strike tiles that Black Panther could kick out that are better and cheaper. To me even if there was no X-Force Black Panther would be more useful than her black. Her black gives you 1k worth of strike tiles for 12ap, BP gives 525 for 9AP: I don't know how you would call BP's strictly better. Strike tiles no, but for the sheer fact I can do 12 turns worth of match damage from a Gamora with one Rage of the Panther and still kick out decent strike tiles isn't bad. If red is her best damage skill and you want strike tiles out quickly, waiting for Bad Reputation is not a good use of it, pairing her with Blade or Daken or Black Panther is going to pump out strike tiles much faster.
Phaserhawk wrote: If red is her best damage skill and you want strike tiles out quickly, waiting for Bad Reputation is not a good use of it, pairing her with Blade or Daken or Black Panther is going to pump out strike tiles much faster.
NorthernPolarity wrote: Daken yeah. She's a nonbo with Blade because her red requires, well, red AP and with Blade you never want to be matching red to keep him thirsty. If her green is as good as you think it is, a 5/5/3 build might be better overall: it certainly is more versatile than 3/5/5, but less powerful in a vacuum. I feel like either way you're restricted though: with 5/5/3 you're forced to pair her with Daken / BP if you want her red to be above average (since I don't see you bringing her along for her green and red without strike tiles since someone like Torch or Pun are much better for that I would imagine), whereas 3/5/5 imposes the Gamora tanking 3 colors restriction.
Phantron wrote: You guys are way too obsessed with using red, the same way originally people are obsessed with getting 3 red strike tiles with Psychic Knife for a low cost of 21 red AP. If you can get 2 reds off that's 10 red AP, which is 4 matches. For that you can get Captain America who has the same base HP and a way better red at 11 AP for the same number of matches. There's nothing particularly noteworthy about this character. She's probably playable even though her strong colors overlap way to much with many powerful characters. You don't need to create 15 strike tiles with the black to win the game either. She'd play similar to BP before his yellow was buffed, but is mostly unplayable in a developed roster because whenever anyone not herself is featured you won't be getting any colors at all.
DrUnpleasant wrote: I refer you back to my suggestion earlier in the thread where you have to max her, pair her with Doom and a low level character with similar colours and a cheap spammable skill - then just use her in PvE against Goons. Race to 12 black (with Doom's blue helping) and with her tanking about 75%+ of the board it would be a massacre when she pops black. Very, very situational though.