Paintsville wrote: Can I call her Publicity Stunt? If they genuinely wanted to, they could have made a female character that could whoop Sentry's butt while wearing a costume that was badass while not accentuating sexuality. If they wanted to. Instead they go for shock value by taking a male hero of legend and making Thor a female. So I will call her what I wish, while at the same time not insulting the female gender. Lady Thor works, but I like some of the other ideas here as well.
_RiO_ wrote: rvs623 wrote: Please be respectful to the character and those who created her and don't call her female derivative names of Thor as if she's meant to be a sidekick or something. Here's the thing: no matter what you do or say, she is a derivative of the original Thor. Thor turned female is nothing more than a cheap tactic by Marvel to both bait female readers and placate feminist outcry over cape comics being male-centric. Rather than coming up with a character that could stand on her own, they cannibalize Thor's character and then have their female derivative ride on the coattails of the popularity established by the original. Frankly, having the new character be such a derivative is kind of insulting to those same demographics Marvel is trying to appeal to. (Really; what kind of signal is this sending? She needs a male base to get any kind of popularity going?) Furthermore, at the same time the fall from grace and taking of his name is disrespectful to the original Thor character and those who created him as well. So asking to be respectful to the new Thor, while the new Thor was created in a manner that is totally disrespectful to the old Thor; that's ... well, that's kind of hypocritic, really. Personally I think a light mocking of the name is just the right amount of respect to show this character and its creator. Marvel is stepping on a lot of toes with it, and they know they are. They already have their contingency scenario prepared and ready to go now that New Avengers has shown Odinson tap into his multiverse alternate's Mjolnir, which has the enchantment mirrored: "Whoever holds this hammer, if he prove unworthy, shall possess the power of Thorr".
rvs623 wrote: Please be respectful to the character and those who created her and don't call her female derivative names of Thor as if she's meant to be a sidekick or something.
homeinvasion wrote: Actually there are millions of Thors, we exist on Earth 616 in the multiverse and there are an almost unlimited iterations of Thor. Which is why we should be allowed to have Xforce/ Patch on a team or Thor3/ Thor4 on a team.
rvs623 wrote: I've been seeing something on the forum for weeks that has been bugging me more and more every time I see it. When they announced the new (female) Thor, they specifically said “This is not She-Thor. This is not Lady Thor. This is not Thorita. This is THOR. This is the THOR of the Marvel Universe. But it’s unlike any Thor we’ve ever seen before.” Source: (Series writer Jason Aaron): http://marvel.com/news/comics/22875/mar ... z3L94STJCd PLEASE stop calling her Lady Thor/Thora/Thorina/etc. I've seen some people using 4hor or 4thor; GoT (Goddess of Thunder) would be good too. Please be respectful to the character and those who created her and don't call her female derivative names of Thor as if she's meant to be a sidekick or something. I get that it's confusing and we can't just call her "Thor," but surely we can agree on a better nickname for her? Edit for clarification: I'm not trying to turn this into a controversy or say that the nicknames are offensive. I just think that since the author of the comic specifically said not to call her those things that we should come up with a different nickname. That's all.
_RiO_ wrote: Here's the thing: no matter what you do or say, she is a derivative of the original Thor. Thor turned female is nothing more than a cheap tactic by Marvel to both bait female readers and placate feminist outcry over cape comics being male-centric. Rather than coming up with a character that could stand on her own, they cannibalize Thor's character and then have their female derivative ride on the coattails of the popularity established by the original. Frankly, having the new character be such a derivative is kind of insulting to those same demographics Marvel is trying to appeal to. (Really; what kind of signal is this sending? She needs a male base to get any kind of popularity going?)
Square wrote: This attitude is some of what's wrong in the comics world. To claim it was a tactic is to give a lot of disrespect to Aaron as a writer and someone with his own story to tell. To say it is meant to placate feminists is about as true as Thor becoming a frog was meant to placate PETA. It's a story. Not a single comic reader is under the illusion that this is permanent change. So to say there is a contingency scenario is baffling. Spider-Man was never going to be Doc Ock forever. Professor X will not be dead forever. That is part of the medium of American super-hero comics. Nothing ever really changes. It's not a contingency plan if the intent is to unltimately return. If Walt Simonsons run on Thor came out today, the Internet would be full of fanboy rage that he was disrespectful to the old Thor and its creators. He started off by giving the hammer to a horse alien! He had Asgardians fight with machine guns! He killed Odin! It's a story, in the future it will go back to Man Thor, and people can find another reason to complain about feminists. Lady Thor isn't disrespectful, but it's not the greatest name. She-Hulk wasn't a great name either, but it was the 70's...
Taganov wrote: I guess I'm too cynical to agree with you, though I do get what you're saying and actually hope I'm wrong and dude just has an amazing story to tell about Lady Thor. I'm as much for reinterpretation of literature as the next guy with a liberal arts degree, but this all stinks of a placatory tactic. All of a sudden, in the midst of the comic book industry taking a beating for catering to one demographic, Captain America is black, Thor is a woman and a slew of super heroes come flying out the closet. And as you observed, these changes are temporary, so really, what's changed? I mean, why bother organically cultivating diversity in American super hero comics when you can just drop non-canonical, "look how inclusive we are now" bombs at your convenience? Seriously, I'm waiting for Storm to be revealed as a transgendered lesbian whose mom was Jewish, dad was Muslim and was brought up in a Catholic enclave so they can hit all their diversity targets at once. It's a bloody spectacle.
Square wrote: Brubaker killed off Cap, and had Bucky step in. Remender has aged Cap, and the Falcon steps in. It all seems pretty organic to me. And neither that Thor or Cap plot seems to reflect what Marvel is actually doing positively about representation (i.e. Ms. Marvel is a pretty good book, from the issues I've read), it's just a storyline involving non-white men. The Cap and Thor thing just got attention because they're movie stars.
Eddiemon wrote: Square wrote: Brubaker killed off Cap, and had Bucky step in. Remender has aged Cap, and the Falcon steps in. It all seems pretty organic to me. And neither that Thor or Cap plot seems to reflect what Marvel is actually doing positively about representation (i.e. Ms. Marvel is a pretty good book, from the issues I've read), it's just a storyline involving non-white men. The Cap and Thor thing just got attention because they're movie stars. Ultimate Peter Parker -> Miles Moriales Cap -> Falcon (Even though there was Patriot as a natural successor) Thor -> Lady Thor (Even though Thor is his freaking name, not a role. Every time Thor has died there hasn't been a stand in Thor. And even though Thor is actually someone else with their own identity that just hasn't been revealed yet). Nick Fury -> Black Nick Fury. (Totally Organic, there wouldn't have been thousands of people of rank waiting to take over shiled that a newcomer could bypass...) Cap Narvel -> Muslim Cap Marvel... The Big 3 (Cap, Iron Man, Thor) We'll turn one black, one female and we'll turn the remaining white guy evil. At what point does it become an agenda and not just organic?
Eddiemon wrote: Ultimate Peter Parker -> Miles Moriales Cap -> Falcon (Even though there was Patriot as a natural successor) Thor -> Lady Thor (Even though Thor is his freaking name, not a role. Every time Thor has died there hasn't been a stand in Thor. And even though Thor is actually someone else with their own identity that just hasn't been revealed yet). Nick Fury -> Black Nick Fury. (Totally Organic, there wouldn't have been thousands of people of rank waiting to take over shiled that a newcomer could bypass...) Cap Narvel -> Muslim Cap Marvel... The Big 3 (Cap, Iron Man, Thor) We'll turn one black, one female and we'll turn the remaining white guy evil. At what point does it become an agenda and not just organic?
Square wrote: Straight white guys see conspiracies everywhere. Keep in mind, these changes happened over 10 years, under different editors.
Omega Red wrote: Square wrote: Straight white guys see conspiracies everywhere. Keep in mind, these changes happened over 10 years, under different editors. Joe Quesada has been calling the shots since 2000, first as Editor in chief, now as Chief Creative Officer. He, along executives like Bille Jemas back then and Dan Buckley now have established policies that control the direction of every character within the Marvel Universe. No major change in the status quo of a prominent character can be done without these guys' approval. Your romantic picture of a lone writter with a social conscience and a heck of a story to tell is nice, but it is not the way these comics are being made. If such a policy existed in the sixties and seventies we would have no Black Panther, but a black Reed Richards. We would have no Storm but a black Jean Grey. We would have no Luke Cage but a black Daredevil or something. It would be much better if Marvel worked on creating and developing new characters with their own identities but that is difficult and takes years to establish so instead we give you black Spider-man, Thora and muslim Marvel and oh by the way, we are going to call the Huffington post to make sure the world knows we care for diversity. ****.
It's ridiculous professional offence-taking like that this that gives feminism a bad name.