NorthernPolarity wrote: ShionSinX wrote: OK ok we got it, you two play MTG. The meta changes, it's life. Things get banned/nerfed and new ones come or old ones get remade/buffed. As it is now she's not that good, but when she's buffed and her red becomes a 3k nuke for 5 red and her icons are all over the place you will see her value. I'm not saying you will sell your x-force or hulk to use her, just leave her in the corner and when the right time comes she will do just fine. You never know when synergy with a new hero or a remade one will drop by. This is exactly what happens in most games of the strategy genre. She's not going to get buffed - If characters like Daredevil and Beast aren't being touched, then an average character like Gamora isn't going to see a change in eons.
ShionSinX wrote: OK ok we got it, you two play MTG. The meta changes, it's life. Things get banned/nerfed and new ones come or old ones get remade/buffed. As it is now she's not that good, but when she's buffed and her red becomes a 3k nuke for 5 red and her icons are all over the place you will see her value. I'm not saying you will sell your x-force or hulk to use her, just leave her in the corner and when the right time comes she will do just fine. You never know when synergy with a new hero or a remade one will drop by. This is exactly what happens in most games of the strategy genre.
ark123 wrote: You know what, before having a chance to play her in pve I said she was a bad psylocke. Now that I've had a chance to play her, I'd say she's a bad psylocke.
Phaserhawk wrote: ark123 wrote: You know what, before having a chance to play her in pve I said she was a bad psylocke. Now that I've had a chance to play her, I'd say she's a bad psylocke. She's better than Psylocke, for the sole reason of having 1700 more hitpoints she is better. She has a btter red than Psyclocke, take either one of her other skills and they are better than Psylocke's blue, the question is Psylocke has a decent black so lets compare those. At double the cost you can get off 2 Psi-Katana's and lots of attack tiles so I'll give you Black on Psylocke, but....if you compare skills independently of color, Gamora has 3 useable skills, Psylocke has 1 and that's her black, because lets face it, without Daken or Blade Psylocke's red is just bad, to get it going by yourself requires 26 AP and hoping they don't blow up a tile, at that rate Gamora's done 9K with hers. If you compar Gamora's green to Psylocke's black, and Gamora's black to Pyslocke's blue you can see that Gamora is much better. I'm not saying Gamora's awesome, but she is better than Psylocke.
ark123 wrote: Phaserhawk wrote: ark123 wrote: You know what, before having a chance to play her in pve I said she was a bad psylocke. Now that I've had a chance to play her, I'd say she's a bad psylocke. She's better than Psylocke, for the sole reason of having 1700 more hitpoints she is better. She has a btter red than Psyclocke, take either one of her other skills and they are better than Psylocke's blue, the question is Psylocke has a decent black so lets compare those. At double the cost you can get off 2 Psi-Katana's and lots of attack tiles so I'll give you Black on Psylocke, but....if you compare skills independently of color, Gamora has 3 useable skills, Psylocke has 1 and that's her black, because lets face it, without Daken or Blade Psylocke's red is just bad, to get it going by yourself requires 26 AP and hoping they don't blow up a tile, at that rate Gamora's done 9K with hers. If you compar Gamora's green to Psylocke's black, and Gamora's black to Pyslocke's blue you can see that Gamora is much better. I'm not saying Gamora's awesome, but she is better than Psylocke. Yeah, what team are you using gamers in that psylocke would be worse? Because I'm doing the essentials with daken patch and her black can't be activated. Her red is okay, but worse than patches, and her green is straight up garbage. I'll take psylocke over gamora any day of the week. I have her at 4 covers, 2 black and 2 red, and she was great with everyone who makes strike tiles. BP, patch, daken, blade, groot. Gamora has one good skill. Her red. That's all.
Lerysh wrote: ark, that's mostly a function of level, since she actually has to have tiles to contribute anything with her black. If she were 166 you'd make 4-6 yellow strike tiles with it each use. It's not terrible. It's not Psylocke good, but it's a decent skill to 3 cover. AoE damage with a double 2 round stun is going to be killer. Whichever team gets that 12 green and free 2 turns is the winner. Gamora > Psylocke If you run Daken/Psylocke, then you turn Psylocke's red into a poor woman's Gamora red. Costs 5, does direct damage, benefits from massive amounts of strike tiles. Do Gamora and Psylocke occupy the same neiche? Yes. Is Gamora a bad Psylocke? No.
Phantron wrote: Um, how about Magneto (Classic), The Hood, and Gamora? Gamora in middle will have green, red (tie with Magneto), black (tie with The Hood), and purple (highest for weak color). There's probably a lot of characters you can substitute to still get 4 colors for Gamora (no strong purple, no strongest red, and no second strongest or better black). Character that fit this profile include: Black Panther Hulk Captain America Patch She-Hulk R&G Mohawk Storm Colossus Beast While not particularly a superstar cast of characters they're certainly quite playable.
Lerysh wrote: Gamora/Spiderman/Falcon - 50% of board, 6 average and rainbow color coverage of powers with no overlap. Gamora/L.Cap/IM40 (5/5/1) 67% board control (Green/Red/Black/Purple) 8 average Gamora/Daken/Falcon 33% board control (Green/Red) 4 average. Even with your worst outcome of 33% at 3 covers with 166 you are getting about 300 in strike tiles for it, and those are instant and not on a 2 round CD. The skill's not good. It's more like "here's an outlet for black" on teams that wouldn't normally have that. It's also her 3 cover skill. I've been running Gamora/Cap/IM40 and getting 4-6 strike tiles occasionally because I have nothing better to use on, less than average because she is only 130 and Cap covers her red. Hood would be better, but it beats a kick to the face (or having no black active).