nicobile wrote: For a long time now,90% of the matches i can pick have Original Black Widow, its annoying, its not fun to play against, and you end up forced to do so almost all the time. Do you think they need to make some change to this character?
laoahpeh wrote: OBW is a little OP at the 2* level, therefore you see her in every 2* team. At best, she is only good for a 2* transiting to 3* player. Once you get to 3*, OBW is seen as more a liability since she is so squishy. You wanna know real annoyance? Try going up against Hood.
BearVenger wrote: Actually, no. I play a lot of Original Black Widow, as she was easier to build up than a 3* character, and she makes my teams competitive against 3* teams whose hitpoints and damage outclass me. Playing with OBW is like extending your life bar. Secondly, she's the only character who both heals and steals. Without her, my 2*s and mid 3*s will get eaten up by 141s' power moves. And this game thinks highly enough of me to throw those teams at me. It's not like I just chose to only play teams tougher than me. Thirdly, she's quite beatable when played by the AI and quite beatable when shes on my team. She's not an instant "win" button, and I go out of my way to take on teams with OBW. In fact, playing with healers makes matches go longer, which means fewer victories per hour if you and I were going head-to-head for tournament placement. Even if I win, I'm not winning as fast as someone running pure offense. Fourth, she's responsible for letting me recover between rounds. If you'd like to nerf her, I'll give you my workplace's mailing address, and you can send me Android gift cards so I can purchase more healthpacks and stop annoying you with her presence. Fifth, in an MPQ world of nonstop offensive heroes, it's nice to have a workable support hero. Really, it's nice to just have another character who isn't another variation on pure offense/strike tiles/attack tiles. The last thing this game needs is more of the same. I'm sorry you don't like seeing OBW. I don't like seeing 2* or 3* Thor, but I know why people like him, and I've developed strategies to counter him. It sounds like your frustration is that a lot of people find success with a character you don't like to play as. Barring a bad cascade, she's not a match-killer. And if she were, there's a skip button to minimize her in your matchups. Please don't request to fix something that's not OP or broken.
Iron Batman wrote: Whether she is OP or not, fighting her in 95% of the matches gets very repetitive and boring. She's in every single 2* team and in my current MMR range I'm seeing a lot of teams with two maxed or close to maxed 3*s and OBW. Most of the other teams I see are Spidey and I'm guessing there's a high chance that many of those will go with OBW after the Spidey nerf. Instead of nerfing OBW, could we get a different character or two with the stealing/healing abilities? Preferable one new 2* with healing and one new 2* with stealing. Just to add some desperately needed variety to the game.
Clintman wrote: It is also not like there are a lot of choices in 2* land for a solid team. Its Either OBW/Tank/Req or Mags/C Storm/Req.
OTERSEY wrote: nicobile wrote: For a long time now,90% of the matches i can pick have Original Black Widow, its annoying, its not fun to play against, and you end up forced to do so almost all the time. Do you think they need to make some change to this character? And? Let's go and nerf all chars, which you don't like and which tinykick your tinykass? Noobs. Noobs never change.
soenottelling wrote: laoahpeh wrote: OBW is a little OP at the 2* level, therefore you see her in every 2* team. At best, she is only good for a 2* transiting to 3* player. Once you get to 3*, OBW is seen as more a liability since she is so squishy. You wanna know real annoyance? Try going up against Hood. I don't mind hood. I think obw would be worse except she has an hp deficiency (when considered a 3***...which everyone might as well). Otersey misused that downvote imo, so ill upvote to counter in a sec, but her real issues are the same ones from Mooooonths ago. That is, ap stealing as a move type is very powerful and hard to balance (just like a pure stun move), her black is actually a stated to be broken move (though thats not part of the issue here realistically as we are talking def), and she is the only character that covers her color set in the 2** range. Heck, even in the 3*** there aren't many purple moves and her blue is one if the more helpful ones. Also, healing...don't discount the fact that she is the only healer besides spidey (who is about to get nerfed in the face like the kid wearing black in a Nerf commercial). Together it all makes her the most played character in the game by far. She is THE BEST 2** In the game and the only one that transitions very well between 2**-3*** (ares is okay if he is just there for yellow). So yea, don't nerf(besides the obligatory changing of her black...disable double dip and maybe increase the base additional damage...which actually makes her BETTER on many teams though lol) but instead wait for more 3*** to come. I doubt we see many 2**...they don't bring in the money...so I don't think you can EVER expect this to really change as the #1 reason she is in that slot is due to her being the only support character in the 2** range (and strong too)...and I don't see more 2** happening. That all said...I totally expect her nerfed at some point. If you look at the last few stunners and stealers you will see a trend..no direct active moves. The only 3*** with an active stun is spidey..look what is about to happen. The only decent character with an active steal is obw...so..coincidence she also is the only other healer? They'll go in to nerf the black and come out with a nerfed everything. It...just might take 4 months
bonfire01 wrote: Careful what you wish for. I don't think the devs would need too much of an excuse to hit a hero who lets you play without buying lots of health packs (which is what they want) so IMO don't start threads like these to start giving them an excuse. OBW will be seen even more after spiderman gets nerfed IMO since she'll be a better offensive hero by some margin afterwards if you want to sustain your play. Just remember.... if she's nerfed it'll hurt you as much as the people who's OBWs you are so fed up of playing against.... don't help D3 with screwing more money out of you (for health packs) by complaining about every hero that lets you avoid using them.
Clintman wrote: I think the intermediates have a hard enough time as it is, so back up for a minute and stop trying to nerf everyone that makes things a little unpredictable. OBW is fun as hell to play, she gives you options to compete in a game that has no difficulty settings. She is a must have at the 2* and she is sometimes addition at the 3* level. When you have a deep 3* roster you put her away because there are better options. Good god its not like it should surprise anyone that you see a lot of her, you see a lot of Thor and wolverine and classic storm too. Now that people have discovered Marvel Now Magneto with Classic Storm you are seeing him suddenly pop up a lot in teams. You don't have the deep variety of characters at the two star level that you see at the 3*. I think nerfing her would drive away people who are struggling as it is with the current balance changes, especially with the current sharding that has some strange algorithm that thinks people with 2* should be paired up with the max level 3* crews for PVP.