Advice on ascended 4*s please

@Jarvis_Jackrabbit said:
Ascended Coulson deals rapid damage with Cosmic IM and Hobgoblin. Use supports to start spamming IM’s red&yellow which feed each other (Avengers Tower support on IM) and generate blue for Hobgoblin, who pops all of Coulson’s CD’s.
If one round of this doesn’t down the opposing team, just repeat the process again, which will pop IM’s CDs, generating even more red and yellow.
I just used this team (IM lv 490, Hobgoblin lv 453, and Coulson lv 450) to take out a 550 Jugg/Flaptain team in Simulator.

I wish there was a way to get 4* Carol into that team somehow...

@Jarvis_Jackrabbit said:
Ascended Coulson deals rapid damage with Cosmic IM and Hobgoblin. Use supports to start spamming IM’s red&yellow which feed each other (Avengers Tower support on IM) and generate blue for Hobgoblin, who pops all of Coulson’s CD’s.
If one round of this doesn’t down the opposing team, just repeat the process again, which will pop IM’s CDs, generating even more red and yellow.
I just used this team (IM lv 490, Hobgoblin lv 453, and Coulson lv 450) to take out a 550 Jugg/Flaptain team in Simulator.

I had two thirds of this team put together but not Hobgoblin so thanks! I really like Iron Man (CI) so glad for a devastating team to use him in!

@Ed_Dragonrider said:

@entrailbucket said:

@Ed_Dragonrider said:
Hi all!

I'm only just now getting to the point where my 4s are approaching max champ and are starting to need dupes. Ascending them will still take time (even though I fully intend to min-max them), but I'm also not hurting on covering the newest arrivals, so could sharget some of the dupes for quicker progress.
Trouble is, which one? I read so many good referrals here for amazing teams etc. I'm more uncertain then ever!

So the questions is: With the exception of Chavez and Juggs, what's the top 5 best to ascend 4*s?

(Or alternatively tell me the top 5 you love to use the most).

Many thanks 😊

I don't know that America Chavez is a top priority for most players so I'm not sure how she got on the list.

Juggernaut is probably the most used 4* among the top players.

We'd really need a lot more information about how you play and what you like. There are a lot of these guys and very few of them are bad.

It's simply that Chavez and Juggs are already ascended. They're my only 2. Chavez because she was in a lot of fan fave legendary stores and rng gave me a lot of covers. Even without really trying I got the dupe to 13 covers and so I wanted to see how much better she might be and ascended her.
I've been sharding and working on Juggs for months to get the JuggerSam team going.

I only really play pve, and the very hard nodes can be really difficult, sometimes even impossible for me. Especially if Kangveil aren't an option for some reason. But I don't have 15min to spend on a single battle, so I guess my aim would be to get some kind of team that can handle lvl 825 teams without taking forever about it. I couldn't care less about placement.

You're asking for help identifying one or two four stars to ascend that will help you defeat the hardest PVE nodes quickly.

Your roster simply isn't there yet.

Ascend M'Baku and you'll have great tool. But he can't do it by himself.

Especially because 450 M'Baku isn't as great as 550 M'Baku and it'll take longer to get him there.

Build your team around him and you'll still likely be disappointed for a long time because you're not getting the easy wins you want.

If you want reliability, 1* HE is great, but you need supports to speed him up and chasm to help him out...or Shang, or 3a5 Namor, or...

The point is, you're a ways off from the reliable fast victories you're saying you want.

I'd suggest keeping your focus on getting juggs to 550 and moving down out of 10 (try 9 or even even 8) and see how it works for you.

It might feel like you're missing out on something, but if you're not getting the full rewards from 10 (or having to struggle more than you like to get them) you wouldn't actually be missing out on anything.

Just my opinion and what I would if I was where you describe your roster. Feel free to ignore.

@Grantosium said:
If the question is "Who needs to be ascended to 5 star to be able to reliably beat level 825s in under 15 minutes" the answer is "no one".

My team is softcapped at 370 and challenge nodes do not take me more than 90 seconds. Various Hawkeye teams or Multiple Man teams will do this. I don't think I need to repeat them here. Caveat is that some supports are necessary, but if you've ascended any 4s already you must have been playing long enough to have enough to make some of those combinations work.

Dropping SCL levels isn't really a solution these days. Due to the 30% extra missions SCL9 is a longer experience than SCL10. Arguably it takes dropping to SCL6 (old SCL8) to be quicker than "cheesing" through SCL10 and at that point you might as well just do SCL10. The idea that a roster might not be ready for SCL10 is fundamentally flawed when the speed of a clear is far more dependent on supports than roster. Perhaps we can retrain ourselves to say" your supports aren't ready".

I assumed his "15 minutes" to be hyperbole meant to exaggerate the time taken because he wants fast guaranteed wins. If he was being literal, I have zero advice to offer.

Aside from that, my suggestion to go to a lower SCL was because he expressed completing the nodes in 10 were sometimes "impossible" for him.

He likely doesn't need to drop to 6 to find more manageable nodes.

If he can clear nodes in 8 or 9 quickly any "extra nodes" in 9 will be cleared faster than the nodes in 10 he is unable to clear at all.

Dropping to 6 would mean a drastic change in rewards I suspect he doesn't want to miss out on... Which is why he's playing in 10 to begin with.

"Might as well just do 10" isn't viable if he can't "do 10". Which leaves trying out 8-9 to find a compromise.

I think you made valid points, I just think those points don't reflect the intent behind why I suggested the drop.