These characters need to be nerfed

@entrailbucket said:

@bluewolf said:

@LavaManLee said:
Ahhh. Thanks. I definitely don't see him played by everybody but I did see him on a few teams. Seen a lot of Tanaka Nova and 5* Deadpool also. And Juggs/Sam still on about every other team I meet. Fairly easy to beat so that's fine with me.

It probably reaaalllyy depends on your MMR. And slice.

I did see a good number of Hawkeyes this week because he's boosted, and I used him in the first PVP with the actual week's boost list.

The prior week...well, they stopped publishing the boost list lately, so I can't remember exactly who they were but I was getting extremely frustrated trying to use them. Like I said, 4-5 jugg and 4-5 rocket got the job done. I did toss my 550 1-5 Venom onto some teams but he's not exactly great in pick-2.

IDK why we keep having this argument, lol. They can't balance the game, not for a long time, if ever.

The worst time to nerf a bunch of characters - being used especially by more casual folks - would be "game is unreliable both in not-crashing and in events being put up as I am used to".

They just nerfed both m'Thor and Polaris, like, a few months ago, and nothing happened. The game didn't die.

Fair enough, but the game’s average review on Google Play fell to 3.9 averaged over 323k reviews (phone version, by far the most common review).

I check them out fairly often as a way to see what average (maybe not on socials etc) players think and a lot of low ratings resulted from the Polaris and Thor nerfs.

Nerf more popular characters, I’d expect the same result.

Just seems like a bad idea to me.

@entrailbucket said:
Just out of curiosity, how many here have MPQ rated a 1 in your app store?

Years ago I took a poll in one of the big Line rooms and I think like 90% of everybody had it rated 1, and always answered 1 on the "would you recommend MPQ?" poll question. My rating has been 5* since the first month or so when I rated it.

Still rated 5.

@Grantosium said:
I can't see it if I go to Google Play now, but I'm sure the last time I visited the page there was an AI review that prominently said "users express frustration at constant nerfs". What that says to prospective players I don't know, although we obviously do know that nerfs are far from constant.

Also the average review has now dropped to 3.8

"The progression system is engaging, though some character nerfs impede advancement" is a sentence in the Google AI summary.

1*Hawkeye, in his current state, is the puzzle piece that balances the game as much as it can be balanced.

That's just my opinion, of course, but I'll explain why I believe it to be absolutely true.

There are several options for zero turn wins. The moment one existed balance between different characters was destroyed. The fact that there are several options to win without ever taking a full turn means that any character that can't fit into such a team is next to useless when it comes to competing with those teams.

And many of these teams can also be a pain on defense making them that much stronger.

They buffed multiple characters to do hundreds of thousands of damage with a cheap power... And it didn't matter because more damage can be done passively with matches.

I'm not going to list them all here but @WhiteBomber has a great write up on PVP meta that explains things in detail if you're curious or don't believe me.

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/91879/pvp-meta-counter/p1

May makes some of those possible, but not all, while presenting a target on defense to down first on retaliation. She makes others stronger while remaining vulnerable. Remove her and the zero turn teams that don't need her just get stronger.

Back to OG Clint (1* Hawkeye)

......... He's very slow.

Can you win on turn zero by repeatedly firing his powers... If the supports activate? Yes.

So what? It takes forever and it's useless on defense.

Want him to hit harder? You need to use the same teammates that would empower others that would win faster and with much less effort.

Hawkeye isn't doing winfinite better than others that do winfinite. He's just allowing access to a winfinite that those without a full roster wouldn't have.

And that's where he balances the game. Not between characters, but between players.

The average player now has a tool they can use chase progression rewards and event quests.

That levels the field in a meaningful way without breaking anything.

If you're seeing Hawkeye in your PVP.. Just attack him. Get those points.

If you're concerned you're seeing him a lot... Use a faster option to beat the player relying on Hawkeye in placement.

If you're worried about HE being OP... Refer to the link to the meta thread above. He's not too tier... He's just a guy with no powers finding a way to compete against gods. And that's the most comic accurate Hawkeye there is.