New Character - Falcon (Joaquin Torres) 5*

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  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 2,011 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 6 February 2026, 17:58

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Like I said, there aren't any good counters to airborne right now!

    Well I do once remember you saying Archangel wasn't terrible when boosted, changed your view (if you remember)? To be transparent - he is fairly terrible...

    It's been awhile. I think I liked him because he was a 5* with a stun, but that was probably before ascension and the explosion of boosted options we get every week.

    Yeah I do think it was the stun you liked and yes sorry, dipping into ancient times here! I seem to remember Cable being boosted same week who you thought was useless and quite frankly I would never argue with you about a single thing in this game concerning how good anybody is. Boosted Cable seems pretty good now, poor Archangel has slipped down the rankings. He is probably approaching Daredevil levels of usefulness. But, he might be able to handle new Falcon?

    I'm not sure the new Falcon will be used enough to require an answer!

    Actually I was thinking about counters the other day, and why MPQ counters never do anything. Most of the counters they give us are attached to characters, and most of those characters either don't work or don't do much besides "slow X guy down a little." Even if a counter character was decent, just being a counter isn't enough, you have to be a generically strong character worth using otherwise. The only successful counter I remember was Scarlet Witch, who actually did manage to shift the metagame off of Okoye/Hulk.

    But there is a secret example of a super successful counter "character": Leapfrog! Leapfrog countered an entire class of abilities (single target high damage powers) and it basically completely removed them from the metagame. The problem was that it was the most powerful support, and the only one like this, and so everybody just used it in every fight.

    What if we had a ton of counter supports that were all as strong as Leapfrog, each for a different thing, so we had to choose? An anti-Hawkeye support could hit you for 50k every time you matched a critical tile, and an anti-Juggernaut support could have the BSS passive, or hit your team for 50k every time you did an AoE.

    The only successful counter character i can think of is Wanda. She pushed ihulk out of the meta game practically over night.

    And then Electro who was released right after her worked too, but wasn't needed any more.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 8,214 Chairperson of the Boards

    @BriMan2222 said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @entrailbucket said:
    Like I said, there aren't any good counters to airborne right now!

    Well I do once remember you saying Archangel wasn't terrible when boosted, changed your view (if you remember)? To be transparent - he is fairly terrible...

    It's been awhile. I think I liked him because he was a 5* with a stun, but that was probably before ascension and the explosion of boosted options we get every week.

    Yeah I do think it was the stun you liked and yes sorry, dipping into ancient times here! I seem to remember Cable being boosted same week who you thought was useless and quite frankly I would never argue with you about a single thing in this game concerning how good anybody is. Boosted Cable seems pretty good now, poor Archangel has slipped down the rankings. He is probably approaching Daredevil levels of usefulness. But, he might be able to handle new Falcon?

    I'm not sure the new Falcon will be used enough to require an answer!

    Actually I was thinking about counters the other day, and why MPQ counters never do anything. Most of the counters they give us are attached to characters, and most of those characters either don't work or don't do much besides "slow X guy down a little." Even if a counter character was decent, just being a counter isn't enough, you have to be a generically strong character worth using otherwise. The only successful counter I remember was Scarlet Witch, who actually did manage to shift the metagame off of Okoye/Hulk.

    But there is a secret example of a super successful counter "character": Leapfrog! Leapfrog countered an entire class of abilities (single target high damage powers) and it basically completely removed them from the metagame. The problem was that it was the most powerful support, and the only one like this, and so everybody just used it in every fight.

    What if we had a ton of counter supports that were all as strong as Leapfrog, each for a different thing, so we had to choose? An anti-Hawkeye support could hit you for 50k every time you matched a critical tile, and an anti-Juggernaut support could have the BSS passive, or hit your team for 50k every time you did an AoE.

    The only successful counter character i can think of is Wanda. She pushed ihulk out of the meta game practically over night.

    And then Electro who was released right after her worked too, but wasn't needed any more.

    They never work, because all they ever do is counter stuff.

    Like Quake is great at blocking AOE, but she doesn't do anything else worthwhile. She's not a useful counter because I have to cripple my team offensively to bring her. Scarlet Witch actually worked because she just countered any incoming damage at all, which is fine but kind of a cop-out.

    But putting this stuff on supports makes everything much more interesting. Imagine a support that reduces all incoming AOE to zero, or zeroes out all enemy strike tiles, or reflects AOE back at the enemy team.

    The problem with Leapfrog wasn't that it was too good, the problem was that we didn't have enough Leapfrogs, so there wasn't any meaningful strategy or rock/paper/scissors. If we had a support that blanked single target big hits, AND a support that punished AOE, AND a support that punished strike tiles, or protect tiles, or criticals, and (crucially) you could only bring one of them -- well, that actually creates the rock/paper/scissors metagame that people claim to want.

    Suddenly you literally cannot beat my defensive team with Juggernaut anymore, now you have to use Hawkeye, or Nova, or boosted guys. You can't just throw rock every time and win every time.

  • Tiger_Wong
    Tiger_Wong Posts: 1,119 Chairperson of the Boards

    Baby champed mine. My thoughts…..

    • the red hits very hard as the conditions get met. However, the airborne portion doesn’t come in play EVERYTIME he is sent airborne. FOR EXAMPLE, when throg sends him airborne he will NOT be able to fire the red power while airborne.but when heimdall does, he can fire it.

    • all the buffs work pretty well while airborne.

    • the active part of his blue is weak unless the board is halfway full of enemy specials. Even if there’s 6 enemy tiles, the damage is pretty paltry. Good thing falcon makes his own strikes to boost this but it’s still pretty weak without a board full of enemy stuff.

    • The passive part reads like it affects CDs but it doesn’t proc if only CDs are on the field and it doesn’t seem to affect them either.
  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 8,214 Chairperson of the Boards

    @no1amerioca said:
    No idea why Joaquin Torres (Falcon) is a 5* character and not 2*, 3* at best? Very strange!

    Lore etc has never mattered when it comes to character tier.

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 4,040 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Tiger_Wong

    What do the damage numbers look like at 450? I think the ones they posted are for an unleveled character (255).

    @S0kun - Any chance you can ask for the numbers at 450 and 550 like we normally get.

    KGB

  • no1amerioca
    no1amerioca Posts: 21 Just Dropped In

    @entrailbucket said:

    @no1amerioca said:
    No idea why Joaquin Torres (Falcon) is a 5* character and not 2*, 3* at best? Very strange!

    Lore etc has never mattered when it comes to character tier.

    Yeah, I guess so, and still no Wonder-man which would make more sense as a new character.

  • Gymp28
    Gymp28 Posts: 347 Mover and Shaker

    @bluewolf said:
    Falcon at 451

    I think based on this and @Tiger_Wong ‘s writeup, he’s clearly a 5:5:3.
    I’m certainly much more excited to try him out than I am Swordmaster, or Silver Sable. Those two are buddying up with 5*Natasha right at the bottom of the heap IMO.

    Would be really great to have some character rebalances on the horizon. Along with new releases these were the things I have always looked forward to the most.
    Totally get we have to learn to walk before we run, but a man can dream…

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 8,214 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 7 February 2026, 17:31

    @Gymp28 said:

    @bluewolf said:
    Falcon at 451

    I think based on this and @Tiger_Wong ‘s writeup, he’s clearly a 5:5:3.
    I’m certainly much more excited to try him out than I am Swordmaster, or Silver Sable. Those two are buddying up with 5*Natasha right at the bottom of the heap IMO.

    Would be really great to have some character rebalances on the horizon. Along with new releases these were the things I have always looked forward to the most.
    Totally get we have to learn to walk before we run, but a man can dream…

    5* Black Widow has 98,000 HP at 550, her abilities cost 12/12/10 AP, and each does between 20 and 30,000 damage.

    Swordmaster isn't setting the world on fire, but Natasha and a couple others are something else entirely!

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 7,020 Chairperson of the Boards

    Currently the token for the New Falcon store in DP v MPQ shows that the 5s are only Falcon and Sam, and there's 1:10 odds of getting a 5. This maintains 5% odds of the two in the store.

    This is change from the past....I dunno....8 years or so of releases?

    Is this intended or is this an error?

    If the CP cost is still 25, you'd be paying 25 CP for a 90% chance of a 4, and a 5% chance of Sam and 5% of New Falcon.

    IMO that is a terrible rate and there's no way I'd pull with 10% odds unless maybe its a 20CP store.

  • MegaBee
    MegaBee Posts: 1,367 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:
    Currently the token for the New Falcon store in DP v MPQ shows that the 5s are only Falcon and Sam, and there's 1:10 odds of getting a 5. This maintains 5% odds of the two in the store.

    This is change from the past....I dunno....8 years or so of releases?

    Is this intended or is this an error?

    If the CP cost is still 25, you'd be paying 25 CP for a 90% chance of a 4, and a 5% chance of Sam and 5% of New Falcon.

    IMO that is a terrible rate and there's no way I'd pull with 10% odds unless maybe its a 20CP store.

    What were the odds on previous 5-star character stores for comparison?

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 7,020 Chairperson of the Boards

    @MegaBee said:

    @bluewolf said:
    Currently the token for the New Falcon store in DP v MPQ shows that the 5s are only Falcon and Sam, and there's 1:10 odds of getting a 5. This maintains 5% odds of the two in the store.

    This is change from the past....I dunno....8 years or so of releases?

    Is this intended or is this an error?

    If the CP cost is still 25, you'd be paying 25 CP for a 90% chance of a 4, and a 5% chance of Sam and 5% of New Falcon.

    IMO that is a terrible rate and there's no way I'd pull with 10% odds unless maybe its a 20CP store.

    What were the odds on previous 5-star character stores for comparison?

    The odds were always the same until now: ~1:7 (15%) of a 5; 3 5s in the store - the new person and 2 others at 5% each. So your 25 cp would be 85% a 4, 15% a 5.

    But it does sort of feel like 1:10 is something that has happened long ago. I mean over 8 years, probably.

    The current CP store model has been in place since at least when 5 Prof X (the first one with an HP store) was released.

  • ThisisClemFandango
    ThisisClemFandango Posts: 1,292 Chairperson of the Boards

    Time for a song?

  • amigopdude22
    amigopdude22 Posts: 50 Match Maker

    @helix72 said:
    I can’t wait to run Falcon with 5* Jean Grey.

    I call it; Team Joaquin Phoenix

    I’ll see myself out now…

    Be proud, you may have peaked with this😂

  • helix72
    helix72 Posts: 1,023 Chairperson of the Boards

    @amigopdude22 said:

    @helix72 said:
    I can’t wait to run Falcon with 5* Jean Grey.

    I call it; Team Joaquin Phoenix

    I’ll see myself out now…

    Be proud, you may have peaked with this😂

    You might have missed when I introduced the ultimate cheese team:

    5* Gorgon (X of Swords) + 4* Arnim Zola (Digital Scientist)

    Team GorgonZola!

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