Can't ascend Viper

Yepyep
Yepyep Posts: 991 Critical Contributor
in MPQ General Discussion

Any info on this? She's been out for 5 weeks now.

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  • Gymp28
    Gymp28 Posts: 304 Mover and Shaker

    Just another of those processes that’s fallen by the wayside in the transition away from BCS.
    I wouldn’t be too hopeful expecting her to be ascendable before mid-January…
    But well done you getting enough covers to do so already! Let’s hope she’s still just as brutal once ascended 🤞

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,731 Chairperson of the Boards

    I've flagged it to S0kun via Discord too, so hopefully it'll get looked into.

  • WampaX
    WampaX Posts: 64 Match Maker

    I ran into the same issue with Zola. Just as Red Skull had released, Zola was the last 4* and had just come off of NEW status recently. I got two 370s on Red Skull release weekend and was gunning for the ascended rewards . . . but CS said that the lack of ascension was not a bug because his non-ascendable window was not over yet (or something to that affect).

    So Viper will be ascendable soon once that window closes.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,857 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 6 December 2025, 20:05

    Yeah, I think Viper will become ascendable on Dec 11. Four weeks after her release.

    (Fixed date)

  • Pantera236
    Pantera236 Posts: 653 Critical Contributor

    @LavaManLee said:
    Yeah, I think Viper will become ascendable on Dec 1. Four weeks after her release.

    So 5 days ago? Lol

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,957 Chairperson of the Boards

    I had the same problem with the last few. I'm not sure if they extended the waiting period or if they're just consistently forgetting it.

  • Yepyep
    Yepyep Posts: 991 Critical Contributor

    Fun has been deprioritized, it seems.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,774 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 9 December 2025, 17:56

    I would bet money that the current contract/agreement between 505 and BCS is for piecemeal work/discrete jobs and that anything that isn’t “running the events to keep people engaged” or “putting up offers” or “make new characters to chase” has been deprioritized since the bean counters aren’t willing to spend money to get it done.

    No offense to y’all who have a dupe Viper already but you’re like 1%? 0.3%? Of the players and the rest of us have like a year before this matters to us.

    If you spent money to get her there….well….I won’t tell you what you should do next time you think about spending since it’ll probably be to buy 50 Spidey shards anyway.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,957 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 9 December 2025, 21:12

    @bluewolf said:
    I would bet money that the current contract/agreement between 505 and BCS is for piecemeal work/discrete jobs and that anything that isn’t “running the events to keep people engaged” or “putting up offers” or “make new characters to chase” has been deprioritized since the bean counters aren’t willing to spend money to get it done.

    No offense to y’all who have a dupe Viper already but you’re like 1%? 0.3%? Of the players and the rest of us have like a year before this matters to us.

    If you spent money to get her there….well….I won’t tell you what you should do next time you think about spending since it’ll probably be to buy 50 Spidey shards anyway.

    My Viper is 340 and I've had her as my only favorite 4* since she went into tokens. I don't know how you'd get her to 370 so quickly, maybe a lot of cover swaps?

    There's always a delay on these guys though. They're never eligible to ascend the day they go into tokens. I know this because I've occasionally had them ready to go really fast, and have always had to wait. I don't know how long the window normally is but this doesn't even feel any different.

  • Yepyep
    Yepyep Posts: 991 Critical Contributor

    @bluewolf said:
    If you spent money to get her there….well….I won’t tell you what you should do next time you think about spending since it’ll probably be to buy 50 Spidey shards anyway. How this is not an entirely scripted event, the drop and first 3-mo evolution of a new 4*, is frankly: stupidity.

    I spent tokens. They’ll renew in time. It’s just another bitter and entirely avoidable failure.

    @entrailbucket said:

    My Viper is 340 and I've had her as my only favorite 4* since she went into tokens. I don't know how you'd get her to 370 so quickly, maybe a lot of cover swaps?

    Irrelevant. My post was not about your progress on this character or any other. I DEFINITELY didn't say anything about MY Viper at all. Why would it matter, anyway, how anyone might have used the tools of the game?

    My question was about a state of failure in the game's maintenance, I think -- because I could be wrong about when 4* characters are supposed to become ascendable.

    But to answer your implicit question: she has been favoritable and swappable for a week or two. That is why I am confused: how does it make any sense that one can do those things but not ascend her?

    There's always a delay on these guys though. They're never eligible to ascend the day they go into tokens. I know this because I've occasionally had them ready to go really fast, and have always had to wait. I don't know how long the window normally is but this doesn't even feel any different.

    Thanks for this. I haven't experienced this exact problem before. A short delay, a week or three, seems reasonable, a month -- OK.. More than a month is the owner of game defecating on us as a demonstration of how much they care about our love of the game.

  • Scofie
    Scofie GLOBAL_MODERATORS Posts: 1,731 Chairperson of the Boards

    I think making characters ascendable was a manual process. It's not the first time it's been missed. Hopefully things will improve from January...

  • Yepyep
    Yepyep Posts: 991 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket: you do know that you come across as a starchy schoolmaster/marm endlessly attempting to enforce some kind of idiosyncratic-to-you game morality on us with your 7,800+ forum posts, right?

    We've all most definitely learned your lesson, Master/Mistress E. Bucket.

  • Yepyep
    Yepyep Posts: 991 Critical Contributor

    EDITED to say: My snark aside, I also enjoy your commentary. Please, just don't push others aside with your agenda.

  • Yepyep
    Yepyep Posts: 991 Critical Contributor

    @Scofie said:
    I think making characters ascendable was a manual process. It's not the first time it's been missed. Hopefully things will improve from January...

    Thanks, Scofie. There are many who have hoped for improvement for a long, long time.

    And many of us avidly playing the game are, like, "older" folks. And there are awful consequences of living a long time. Loss of family, illness, just plain disappointment in life.

    I need my game to be reliable and fun. Not burn my hand and flash disco lights at me because coding is flawed...

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,774 Chairperson of the Boards

    As far as I can recall the stated policy on 4s being ascendable was around 4 weeks at most for most of them. It’s absolutely manual because what’s happening is they’re creating a new character and choosing whether to just scale up powers and things or maybe they tweak something to make them weaker or stronger in one ability.

    Again as I said I would guess someone has to pay BCS to Care enough to do this for us and they refuse to, figuring we can wait until the inhouse team is stuck trying to implement it.

    It’s a shame that it feels so much like a hostile environment behind the scenes.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,957 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 10 December 2025, 14:09

    @Yepyep said:

    @bluewolf said:
    If you spent money to get her there….well….I won’t tell you what you should do next time you think about spending since it’ll probably be to buy 50 Spidey shards anyway. How this is not an entirely scripted event, the drop and first 3-mo evolution of a new 4*, is frankly: stupidity.

    I spent tokens. They’ll renew in time. It’s just another bitter and entirely avoidable failure.

    @entrailbucket said:

    My Viper is 340 and I've had her as my only favorite 4* since she went into tokens. I don't know how you'd get her to 370 so quickly, maybe a lot of cover swaps?

    Irrelevant. My post was not about your progress on this character or any other. I DEFINITELY didn't say anything about MY Viper at all. Why would it matter, anyway, how anyone might have used the tools of the game?

    My question was about a state of failure in the game's maintenance, I think -- because I could be wrong about when 4* characters are supposed to become ascendable.

    But to answer your implicit question: she has been favoritable and swappable for a week or two. That is why I am confused: how does it make any sense that one can do those things but not ascend her?

    There's always a delay on these guys though. They're never eligible to ascend the day they go into tokens. I know this because I've occasionally had them ready to go really fast, and have always had to wait. I don't know how long the window normally is but this doesn't even feel any different.

    Thanks for this. I haven't experienced this exact problem before. A short delay, a week or three, seems reasonable, a month -- OK.. More than a month is the owner of game defecating on us as a demonstration of how much they care about our love of the game.

    It's always more than a month, and it's always been that way, for every character. Sorry that you feel pooped on or whatever.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,774 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 10 December 2025, 14:54

    I could be wrong but I feel like most of the time it’s been about 4 weeks.

    From a marketing/encouraging spending/use of resources point of view it makes little sense to wait more than maybe a week after someone is in tokens to allow them to be ascended.

    There are so few things that an endgame player finds to use hp on. Why stop them from burning hp on swaps to make a 4-5 they want?

    The only downside of ascending after a month would be if they made the 4-5 OP and they had to walk it back. I can see a concern on Viper as she can clear nodes with Crystal and Iron May after 2 turns already. With a super low level or 550 3Khan she can turn 0 CNs with supports firing.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,957 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:
    I could be wrong but I feel like most of the time it’s been about 4 weeks.

    From a marketing/encouraging spending/use of resources point of view it makes little sense to wait more than maybe a week after someone is in tokens to allow them to be ascended.

    There are so few things that an endgame player finds to use hp on. Why stop them from burning hp on swaps to make a 4-5 they want?

    The only downside of ascending after a month would be if they made the 4-5 OP and they had to walk it back. I can see a concern on Viper as she can clear nodes with Crystal and Iron May after 2 turns already. With a super low level or 550 3Khan she can turn 0 CNs with supports firing.

    I don't know why it's that way. They announced it as part of Ascension and every character has had a waiting period. They did announce how long it was supposed to be (I think it's a month but I forgot. It's in the announcement.), but some of them end up being really long with no acknowledgement or reason why. I think The Maker took forever?

    I agree. I really have no idea why there's a waiting period on them at all. If somebody wants to spend a million in swaps right away, or blow a hoard on some 4*, it doesn't make much sense that they have to wait. I used to think they were using that time to design the 5* but I think they've been giving us 5* numbers in character posts here.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,957 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:

    I can see a concern on Viper as she can clear nodes with Crystal and Iron May after 2 turns already. With a super low level or 550 3Khan she can turn 0 CNs with supports firing.

    Ok now this makes sense. I have all the 4* ascended except Viper, so I'm always working on levelling up the newest guy. Sometimes I get them done and they're still not eligible for whatever reason so I have to wait. I haven't seen a ton of complaints about this even though I've been caught by it several times, because who actually cares.

    But if Viper does A PvE Thing then I bet a bunch of the PvE People are racing a 4* to ascension for the first time and have never seen this before.

  • Borstock
    Borstock Posts: 3,193 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 10 December 2025, 17:38

    @Scofie said:
    I think making characters ascendable was a manual process. It's not the first time it's been missed. Hopefully things will improve from January...

    So, this is literally an "office is closed" issue? There's no one working now who can press that button?

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