Broken game + misplaced priorities = bankrupt enterprise

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  • WilliamK1983
    WilliamK1983 Posts: 1,335 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Yepyep said:

    @Bored_steve said:
    Again, I'm not seeing anything close to a 1 second lag when skipping pvp teams, it appears to me to be just as quick as it ever was

    But do the issues you're experiencing mean the game is now "shattered", or broken to the point of unplayability?

    You have 8 posts to this forum, at this writing.

    How many Top 10 PvP results have you had? If you don't have the hard-won knowledge of that game, then you might not be able to relate to my comments.

    That's definitely not meant to be offensive. But my commentary is intended to be pointed at a small group of extremely active competitors. (And if I'm wrong about your game, then please add something useful.)

    Edited for: drunken Saturday night

    Don't drink and hit send.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,554 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 5 October 2025, 17:38

    @WilliamK1983 said:

    @Yepyep said:

    @Bored_steve said:
    Again, I'm not seeing anything close to a 1 second lag when skipping pvp teams, it appears to me to be just as quick as it ever was

    But do the issues you're experiencing mean the game is now "shattered", or broken to the point of unplayability?

    You have 8 posts to this forum, at this writing.

    How many Top 10 PvP results have you had? If you don't have the hard-won knowledge of that game, then you might not be able to relate to my comments.

    That's definitely not meant to be offensive. But my commentary is intended to be pointed at a small group of extremely active competitors. (And if I'm wrong about your game, then please add something useful.)

    Edited for: drunken Saturday night

    Don't drink and hit send.

    Nah, I definitely think we should all compare qualifications to see who's right -- time played, number of top 10 (LOL, how about top 1?) PvP results, number of 550s, posts on the forum...

  • WilliamK1983
    WilliamK1983 Posts: 1,335 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WilliamK1983 said:

    @Yepyep said:

    @Bored_steve said:
    Again, I'm not seeing anything close to a 1 second lag when skipping pvp teams, it appears to me to be just as quick as it ever was

    But do the issues you're experiencing mean the game is now "shattered", or broken to the point of unplayability?

    You have 8 posts to this forum, at this writing.

    How many Top 10 PvP results have you had? If you don't have the hard-won knowledge of that game, then you might not be able to relate to my comments.

    That's definitely not meant to be offensive. But my commentary is intended to be pointed at a small group of extremely active competitors. (And if I'm wrong about your game, then please add something useful.)

    Edited for: drunken Saturday night

    Don't drink and hit send.

    Nah, I definitely think we should all compare qualifications to see who's right -- time played, number of top 10 (LOL, how about top 1?) PvP results, number of 550s, posts on the forum...

    Hahahahaha love it

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,914 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WilliamK1983 said:

    @Yepyep said:

    @Bored_steve said:
    Again, I'm not seeing anything close to a 1 second lag when skipping pvp teams, it appears to me to be just as quick as it ever was

    But do the issues you're experiencing mean the game is now "shattered", or broken to the point of unplayability?

    You have 8 posts to this forum, at this writing.

    How many Top 10 PvP results have you had? If you don't have the hard-won knowledge of that game, then you might not be able to relate to my comments.

    That's definitely not meant to be offensive. But my commentary is intended to be pointed at a small group of extremely active competitors. (And if I'm wrong about your game, then please add something useful.)

    Edited for: drunken Saturday night

    Don't drink and hit send.

    Nah, I definitely think we should all compare qualifications to see who's right -- time played, number of top 10 (LOL, how about top 1?) PvP results, number of 550s, posts on the forum...

    Posts on the forum?!?! Exciting!

  • Jash735
    Jash735 Posts: 158 Tile Toppler

    I’m on an iPhone 11 and the crashing and freezing is HORRIBLE! I literally had it happen 12 times while trying to play my PvE slice a few days ago. And that is on top of all the lagging and other bugs.

  • MegaBee
    MegaBee Posts: 1,296 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WilliamK1983 said:

    @Yepyep said:

    @Bored_steve said:
    Again, I'm not seeing anything close to a 1 second lag when skipping pvp teams, it appears to me to be just as quick as it ever was

    But do the issues you're experiencing mean the game is now "shattered", or broken to the point of unplayability?

    You have 8 posts to this forum, at this writing.

    How many Top 10 PvP results have you had? If you don't have the hard-won knowledge of that game, then you might not be able to relate to my comments.

    That's definitely not meant to be offensive. But my commentary is intended to be pointed at a small group of extremely active competitors. (And if I'm wrong about your game, then please add something useful.)

    Edited for: drunken Saturday night

    Don't drink and hit send.

    Nah, I definitely think we should all compare qualifications to see who's right -- time played, number of top 10 (LOL, how about top 1?) PvP results, number of 550s, posts on the forum...

    Posts on the forum?!?! Exciting!

    Not sure about this one...

  • Bored_steve
    Bored_steve Posts: 10 Just Dropped In

    Nah its fine, because I lurk on the forums that means I haven't been playing the game for years and so my opinion is clearly meaningless

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,554 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 5 October 2025, 21:06

    These increasingly over the top whine posts are just getting ridiculous.

    They don't care. You're not going to make them care. They know this stuff is busted and they're probably working on it or whatever, but who knows how long it'll take, and they'll probably break more stuff too. Yelling at them won't make it go any faster, even if they cared what we said -- and they don't care.

    You have 3 choices: you can stay upset and keep screaming into the void, accomplishing nothing. You can walk away. Or you can try to find some way to still play and just accept whatever broken nonsense is going on. When matchmaking was broken I didn't like it, so I just didn't play as much. I even skipped a handful of events. I am still alive, as far as I can tell.

    Edit: I suppose screaming into the void is cathartic for some folks, and I shouldn't discount that. If you're fully aware that you're just yelling at the wall and accomplishing nothing, I guess there's no real harm in doing so.

  • Chrynos1989
    Chrynos1989 Posts: 558 Critical Contributor

    I’m with yepyep here, freezes might occur a lot less over the last updates, at least for many, but still freezes in wave nodes wreck your placement and today I just had a freeze in pvp again, counts as a retreat, lots of points gone.
    And instead of fixing these, they give us imba 6*.
    I mean why block certain supports in pvp, if a fight against Galactus will take 20 mins?
    Their priorities surely are poorly placed

    @IceIX @S0kun
    Tell these guys 5 super whales won‘t save their revenue when all the other players they love to hit are quitting the game

  • Timemachinego
    Timemachinego Posts: 604 Critical Contributor
    edited 6 October 2025, 10:02

    My freezes are mostly gone, though now I'm getting them any time I reset a vault... better there than in actual gameplay though. Still seeing the occasional soft-lock where gems just won't match, I have some fun screens of that. Even if they get it more stable, it's still significantly slower and it really feels like **** that this "same experience for everyone" build is EVEN MORE variable. I've got alliance mates who maybe only added a minute to their PVE times while I'm over here up about 4 minutes each grind+clear. For reference, my previous "perfect" time between node clears was 20 seconds, it's now 30. You can see how that adds up.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,914 Chairperson of the Boards

    @MegaBee said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WilliamK1983 said:

    @Yepyep said:

    @Bored_steve said:
    Again, I'm not seeing anything close to a 1 second lag when skipping pvp teams, it appears to me to be just as quick as it ever was

    But do the issues you're experiencing mean the game is now "shattered", or broken to the point of unplayability?

    You have 8 posts to this forum, at this writing.

    How many Top 10 PvP results have you had? If you don't have the hard-won knowledge of that game, then you might not be able to relate to my comments.

    That's definitely not meant to be offensive. But my commentary is intended to be pointed at a small group of extremely active competitors. (And if I'm wrong about your game, then please add something useful.)

    Edited for: drunken Saturday night

    Don't drink and hit send.

    Nah, I definitely think we should all compare qualifications to see who's right -- time played, number of top 10 (LOL, how about top 1?) PvP results, number of 550s, posts on the forum...

    Posts on the forum?!?! Exciting!

    Not sure about this one...

    Oh come on now, this is just a conspiracy against me! This is because I once challenged your bee skills isn't it? I refuse to bee stuck on your honey laden sting of oppression!

  • MegaBee
    MegaBee Posts: 1,296 Chairperson of the Boards

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @MegaBee said:

    @DAZ0273 said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @WilliamK1983 said:

    @Yepyep said:

    @Bored_steve said:
    Again, I'm not seeing anything close to a 1 second lag when skipping pvp teams, it appears to me to be just as quick as it ever was

    But do the issues you're experiencing mean the game is now "shattered", or broken to the point of unplayability?

    You have 8 posts to this forum, at this writing.

    How many Top 10 PvP results have you had? If you don't have the hard-won knowledge of that game, then you might not be able to relate to my comments.

    That's definitely not meant to be offensive. But my commentary is intended to be pointed at a small group of extremely active competitors. (And if I'm wrong about your game, then please add something useful.)

    Edited for: drunken Saturday night

    Don't drink and hit send.

    Nah, I definitely think we should all compare qualifications to see who's right -- time played, number of top 10 (LOL, how about top 1?) PvP results, number of 550s, posts on the forum...

    Posts on the forum?!?! Exciting!

    Not sure about this one...

    Oh come on now, this is just a conspiracy against me! This is because I once challenged your bee skills isn't it? I refuse to bee stuck on your honey laden sting of oppression!

    Your post swarm is a full order of magnitude higher than mine. I will not bee silenced!

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,554 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Chrynos1989 said:

    @IceIX @S0kun
    Tell these guys 5 super whales won‘t save their revenue when all the other players they love to hit are quitting the game

    Not sure if this is your argument, but I've often heard that non-spending players are really important, because the whales need players to beat up on.

    I think the recent matchmaking fiasco finally puts the lie to that one. I like beating up other players, but it seems like the majority of folks would prefer to fight nothing but seed teams.

  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 489 Mover and Shaker

    I wasn't getting freezes at all until I downloaded R331. Now, when I swap to different apps after a pvp battle it freezes. It does not happen after pve battles. I have to kill the app every single time and restart 3 times before the game loads properly.

    It is really odd how something new breaks after every new update.

  • MgoBlue51
    MgoBlue51 Posts: 125 Tile Toppler
    edited 6 October 2025, 15:12

    I'm not sure it would appease the masses, but the devs COULD offer some transparency to the current game state. Not necessarily a mea culpa (though that would also be nice), but an admission of how they screwed the pooch, understand how we must feel with new rollouts (which will almost assuredly be ill thought out or buggy) while the QoL is in the gutter... That would be nice. I can't say we would be suddenly sunshine and rainbows, but I personally would feel less insulted. The game has always been a money making endeavor, so any new thing is a cash grab. But we all are smart enough to see that they are wringing out any dollars and cents for less and less returns, bleeding many dry. The less and less return for the same resources (be it money, time, engagement, etc) will inevitably anger most people. It's the feeling that they A) don't care or b) think they are getting away with it... All while staying silent... That's where the fan base gets rowdy

  • Phumade
    Phumade Posts: 2,649 Chairperson of the Boards

    I find their business case situation plausible: i.e. They don't have the funding or time to fully build out unity before they sunset the old engine. This scenario has happened in many industries and at many different levels of scale.

    To learn from our mistakes. I would be curious to know how many man hours were actually devoted or not devoted to the transition. Alot of money got spent for arguably a worse product and I've not seen a roadmap that lays out a better player experience or increased revenue opportunities.

    We all see what happened with Football manager 26 and their transition to Unity. I'd like a better understanding on how MPQ will avoid the "Football manager 26" debacle.

    https://www.pcgamer.com/games/sports/it-would-have-damaged-us-forever-after-the-calamitous-cancellation-of-football-manager-25-what-does-fm26-need-to-deliver/

    https://www.espn.com/gaming/story/_/id/46028512/football-manager-26-reveal-premier-league-license

    https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6616681/2025/09/10/football-manager-26-release-date-news/

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,923 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Codex said:
    I wasn't getting freezes at all until I downloaded R331. Now, when I swap to different apps after a pvp battle it freezes. It does not happen after pve battles. I have to kill the app every single time and restart 3 times before the game loads properly.

    It is really odd how something new breaks after every new update.

    Each update forces you to re-download all the assets (no idea why they didn't checksum ones you had to see if there was a change that required a download). I suspect you've still not downloaded all the assets yet (animations, covers, characters etc) and that would be more noticeable in PvP where you are probably seeing more character variety plus getting a cover after a win.

    I've found that for me, if I minimized to the phone desktop and come back it helps with this and if you are patient it often eventually unfreezes (I've had to wait 45 seconds before).

    KGB

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,923 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 6 October 2025, 15:59

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Chrynos1989 said:

    @IceIX @S0kun
    Tell these guys 5 super whales won‘t save their revenue when all the other players they love to hit are quitting the game

    I think the recent matchmaking fiasco finally puts the lie to that one. I like beating up other players, but it seems like the majority of folks would prefer to fight nothing but seed teams.

    Definitely some players would prefer this but I am not sure about the majority.

    There's more than just beating seed teams as part of this. There are 3 other things in play that also happened:
    1) The frustration of the new Unity engine (freezes, crashes, slowness)
    2) The bonus cover drop that came with beating those seeds
    3) For 5 star PvP the boredom of the same few meta teams + supports in PvP.

    The seed teams in PvP were a godsend to me with regards to the new Unity Engine. Even with just beating seed teams in PvP, my time spent increased thanks to the general slowness of the new Engine. I really noticed this last night in the Aunt May PvP where for the first time I had to skip and fight real teams and just doing 14 matches took a lot longer than it ever did before.

    The cover drops were also a godsend to a lot of players. If this remains in place it will make going back to normal PvP a lot more palatable.

    KGB

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,554 Chairperson of the Boards

    @KGB said:

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Chrynos1989 said:

    @IceIX @S0kun
    Tell these guys 5 super whales won‘t save their revenue when all the other players they love to hit are quitting the game

    I think the recent matchmaking fiasco finally puts the lie to that one. I like beating up other players, but it seems like the majority of folks would prefer to fight nothing but seed teams.

    Definitely some players would prefer this but I am not sure about the majority.

    There's more than just beating seed teams as part of this. There are 3 other things in play that also happened:
    1) The frustration of the new Unity engine (freezes, crashes, slowness)
    2) The bonus cover drop that came with beating those seeds
    3) For 5 star PvP the boredom of the same few meta teams + supports in PvP.

    The seed teams in PvP were a godsend to me with regards to the new Unity Engine. Even with just beating seed teams in PvP, my time spent increased thanks to the general slowness of the new Engine. I really noticed this last night in the Aunt May PvP where for the first time I had to skip and fight real teams and just doing 14 matches took a lot longer than it ever did before.

    The cover drops were also a godsend to a lot of players. If this remains in place it will make going back to normal PvP a lot more palatable.

    KGB

    So...you'd prefer to fight nothing but seed teams?

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