Fix Puzzle Gaultnet enemy health is too low

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Hellblazer666
Hellblazer666 Posts: 274 Mover and Shaker
in MPQ General Discussion

you kill the enemy before you can get the AP needed to win

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  • S0kun
    S0kun ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 951 Critical Contributor

    We're investigating this now!

  • Hellblazer666
    Hellblazer666 Posts: 274 Mover and Shaker

    @S0kun said:
    We're investigating this now!

    Thanks appreciate it

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 645 Critical Contributor

    @Hellblazer666 said:

    @S0kun said:
    We're investigating this now!

    Thanks appreciate it

    Thanks for reporting this. It's "challenging" but not in a fun way.

    The event IS scaling to players' rosters, but it's indexed way too low. Enemy levels are ~half what they should be if the event is meant to be easy-ish. If the enemy levels were increased 50% or so, it'd be tricky but manageable. As it is now, it takes creativity and a LOT of luck to gather / generate enough AP w/o accidentally slaughtering the "opposition".

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,271 Chairperson of the Boards

    The game is just trying to emulate what it would be like to actually suddenly get super-strength and have to fight normal humans and not accidentally kill then.

    A well-known superhero trope.

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 645 Critical Contributor
    edited 18 July 2025, 20:38

    @bluewolf said:
    The game is just trying to emulate what it would be like to actually suddenly get super-strength and have to fight normal humans and not accidentally kill then.

    A well-known superhero trope.

    ... and the inverse of the classic MPQ original trope, common street thugs gunning down cosmic beings with plain old bullets. Later joined by the sight of ninjas bludgeoning godlike beings to death with their bare hands!

    Long ago, an excellent parody of this was posted to this very forum. Might still be around here, somewhere.....

  • Hellblazer666
    Hellblazer666 Posts: 274 Mover and Shaker

    Can this be fixed before PG ends on Monday?

  • Al_Paca
    Al_Paca Posts: 16 Just Dropped In

    It's doable, you just need the right team. I cleared Puzzle It Over - Round 3 on my first try

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,674 Chairperson of the Boards

    This is one of the times its handy if you haven't ascended everyone.

    I finished it easily with 4 star and below characters. Never lost once due to killing them.

    KGB

  • Steve111
    Steve111 Posts: 169 Tile Toppler

    Can’t do the last two nodes with required characters as they are all ascended and match damage wipes out the enemies. It’s just pointless and impossible to complete.

  • JoeHandle
    JoeHandle Posts: 645 Critical Contributor
    edited 21 July 2025, 08:58

    @Steve111 said:
    Can’t do the last two nodes with required characters as they are all ascended and match damage wipes out the enemies. It’s just pointless and impossible to complete.

    Same .... the game has heavily incentivized ascending everything to 5★ ASAP. 40% of my roster is 5★ now. And, it just so happens, that ALL copies of the required / essential chars for this event are 5★.

    The scaling appears to be setting these enemies at the median point of your overall roster. So my main acct sees them at lvl 270 or so. My alt sees them at lvl 70.

    The scaling also fails to incorporate the point that 5★ chars are not only much farther along on the exponential match dmg curve, they also have a multiplier applied to it, so their match dmg is ~2-3x what even that exponential curve dictates.

    So, regardless of what one does, a heavily 5★ roster effectively has a much shorter clock limiting their chances to collect however much of whatever color AP.

    "Oops, we did a thing, forgot to remember a thing, set up some players up to fail .... again."

    Combining this with other issues ... dev team wasn't kidding. They don't understand the game. They need to tap into the institutional knowledge and collective experience of those who do.

  • Hellblazer666
    Hellblazer666 Posts: 274 Mover and Shaker

    I managed to do the two required characters nodes on the right with 4 star cyclops and 3 star hawk guy hawkeye

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,875 Chairperson of the Boards

    @JoeHandle said:

    @Steve111 said:
    Can’t do the last two nodes with required characters as they are all ascended and match damage wipes out the enemies. It’s just pointless and impossible to complete.

    Same .... the game has heavily incentivized ascending everything to 5★ ASAP. 40% of my roster is 5★ now. And, it just so happens, that ALL copies of the required / essential chars for this event are 5★.

    The scaling appears to be setting these enemies at the median point of your overall roster. So my main acct sees them at lvl 270 or so. My alt sees them at lvl 70.

    The scaling also fails to incorporate the point that 5★ chars are not only much farther along on the exponential match dmg curve, they also have a multiplier applied to it, so their match dmg is ~2-3x what even that exponential curve dictates.

    So, regardless of what one does, a heavily 5★ roster effectively has a much shorter clock limiting their chances to collect however much of whatever color AP.

    "Oops, we did a thing, forgt to remember a thing, set up some players up to fail .... again."

    Combining this with other issues ... dev team wasn't kidding. They don't understand the game. They need to tap into the institutional knowledge and collective experience of those who do.

    Given the state of... everything...right now, I'd assume this particular issue is a mistake unless they say it's intentional. I don't think they've talked about screwing around with scaling recently.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,358 Chairperson of the Boards

    I just did the two final nodes which being tug of war are fine. I was trying to grind out a quest (repeater tiles) on the earlier nodes and just did what I could until I killed the enemy. Not bothered about completing the actual nodes.

  • Steve111
    Steve111 Posts: 169 Tile Toppler

    @DAZ0273 said:
    I just did the two final nodes which being tug of war are fine. I was trying to grind out a quest (repeater tiles) on the earlier nodes and just did what I could until I killed the enemy. Not bothered about completing the actual nodes.

    Puzzle quest this time round is not tug of war for the final two nodes. We have to collect x amount of ap in both cases.

  • stef_focus
    stef_focus Posts: 155 Tile Toppler

    @Steve111 said:

    @DAZ0273 said:
    I just did the two final nodes which being tug of war are fine. I was trying to grind out a quest (repeater tiles) on the earlier nodes and just did what I could until I killed the enemy. Not bothered about completing the actual nodes.

    Puzzle quest this time round is not tug of war for the final two nodes. We have to collect x amount of ap in both cases.

    The puzzle quest was adjusted while running. Before the current version with AP gathering and Symbiotic Goo rewards, it was a version with tug-of-war tiles and Omnipotence City rewards (and missing one of the point rewards).
    So some did the two final nodes with tug-of-war and got an Omnipotence City token, people who started later do the final two with AP gathering and get a Symbiotic Goo token.

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 11,358 Chairperson of the Boards

    Yeah sorry, I definitely did tug of war.

  • TriSentinel
    TriSentinel Posts: 143 Tile Toppler

    @Hellblazer666 said:
    you kill the enemy before you can get the AP needed to win

    Yep, definitely happening since ascending so many characters. Would rather not have to add a bunch of non-ascended characters to my roster for this.

    They could just change every puzzle gauntlet match to conditional damage: only from tug-of-war tiles, only from matched strikes, only from matched CDs, etc.

  • Zarqa
    Zarqa Posts: 459 Mover and Shaker
    edited 21 July 2025, 19:17

    @DAZ0273 said:
    Yeah sorry, I definitely did tug of war.

    [insert feigned indignation] Wait, you didn’t update to the latest version? But that means you can get extra tokens! 🤯 /s
    (yes, this is a joke!)

  • Steve111
    Steve111 Posts: 169 Tile Toppler

    @S0kun said:
    We're investigating this now!

    Any update please? @S0kun

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,686 Chairperson of the Boards

    To be honest, the rewards for this have been weak for a very long time. It is a lot of work for not much reward. I generally do them if I remember but it really isn't very fun. At least to me.

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