New Character - Elsa Bloodstone (Space Hunter) 5*

So do I get a woman following me ringing a bell saying "shame" and "pathetic"?
To be honest I don't need one as my wife pretty much fills this role.

I hereby tender my resignation from this forum
Good day to you sir

@bluewolf Gwenom isn't bad, you simply get 10 red, make lots of web tiles and down the entire enemy team. She has one of the highest damage potential powers in the game. I've tested some teams with her and they work - she just needs the right partners and supports, but the massive damage potential is there - just like SM India. And I've been the only one who thinks she isn't garbage, but that doesn't change my mind.

@entrailbucket We've been on this forum for a very long time and it would be interesting to see what our success rate is regarding new character predictions. On one hand, it can establish your credibility or destroy it. On the other hand, your past doesn't matter because people change and get wiser. So don't beat up yourself (or others) for making mistakes.

I generally try to find a use for every character in the game, so I think creatively, trying to build a team to showcase their abilities. That's fun. Being negative and overly critical / cynical is not fun, but leaves you unhappy.

As for past predictions that I got right despite the naysayers:
Kitty was meta and still in use today
Shang was meta and still in use today
Omega was and still is meta

I said Crystal was good but not meta and I do see her when boosted.
I said Abigail was garbage but some people use her boosted so perhaps I was wrong
I said Sersi was super versatile and I still have teams I want to test with her
I said Elektra's yellow was good and now she's finally getting regular play from me
I said Gamora's red is good for wave nodes when combined with soul stone.

Here's a new prediction: Toni Ho's repeater tile reduction & hit can be exploited to the point of creating some killer combos. She has the potential of entering the meta (regular use) if just 1 of those combos is particularly nasty. But that will take some testing. I hope that @entrailbucket will do that legwork, but I'm planning to champ her soon.

I think it used to be easier when powers were less complicated. The problem is that everything is a 1000 word essay with 12 transforming passives now, and the presence or absence of one word (or an interpretation of one word!) often ends up being the key to how effective they are. It's just way too easy to miss something when you're only going off the descriptions.

It's definitely not impossible to evaluate characters, but you really need to actually play them these days before you can figure them out.

Deciding what will be "meta" is honestly probably not possible, though. It's dependent not just on power, but on circumstances, availability, etc. (Juggernaut/Sam is super strong because it both ignores and benefits from Leapfrog, and because Thanos Copter is super powerful.)

Besides, what's two days, anyway? Elsa will be in game by then, and the early adopters can start testing for real, so why do we need to rush to get incomplete takes out early?

@entrailbucket said:

@Codex said:

@Tiger_Wong said:
I used to find it comical how the same group of guys would post their sweeping generalizations without actually trying the character first despite being proven wrong again and again and again. Nice to see things haven’t changed for every new character reveal.

Wait…. Did I say “nice to see”? My bad. I meant to say “It’s pathetic”.

Lol! Then what are players supposed to comment on? The art? Any typos? Who is in or not in the release store? Who will be the feeder?

Ofcourse ppl are going to speculate it is only natural. It is part of the fun.

Speculation is fine, but after like the 300th time somebody says "nope, useless, garbage, won't even roster" on a character that turns out to be Aunt May or Sam Wilson, it's time to learn some lessons.

Personally I think we need to start shaming people. I stopped doing this because I went back and read years of my horrendous pre-release takes and thought "oh wow I am a tremendous idiot." Like, I thought 5* Scarlet Witch would never see play! That should follow me around forever. Nobody should ever listen to anything I say because I legitimately thought that!

And likewise, all the hype merchants who tried to push 5* Namor, or the doomers who dismissed Sam Wilson should have to permanently put those takes in their signature so we know who we're dealing with.

To be fair, sam wilson was just ok when he was released. It wasn't until players bugged the devs that they went back and "fixed" him to trigger in a better order for us, so it would hit a bunch of times. Not sure if that's how it was originally intended, they were kind of vague on why he was "fixed."

@bbigler said:
@bluewolf Consider this:

4/4/5 Gwenom + Quantum Realm
5-star Emma + BW Batons
4-star Aunt May + Arc Reactor
AP Boosts: 2 Red/Yellow, 2 ALL colors

With 5-star Supports, you'll likely start with
14 Purple
10 Red
4 Yellow
2 Blue
2 Black
2 Purple

Turn 0 - Fire Gwenom's purple twice to make 14 web tiles. Then fire her Red. Let's say her 8 Red hits are 10K each, but her black passive increases them by 75% to 17.5K each. Then Emma increases the hits by 90%, bringing them to 33K each. Finally Aunt May increases them by 200% (based on 17.5K) which is an additional 35K each, bringing the total to 68K x 8 hits. That's a total of 544K with an unboosted Gwenom.

Well, maybe I'll give that a shot at some point although first I need at least one more Gwenom cover since she's 4/4/4.

@DAZ0273 said:
4* Aunt May? That is 3a4?

yes. the 3* may ascended to 4*. She has major issues when ascended to 5*, so strongly recommended to stop at the 4* level.

@Borstock said:
That likely list above is asking a lot. How often do all those supports proc together?

As much as I love this kind of stuff...yeah, that is a ton of boosts/supports, and buffs. Most characters should be able to do that kind of damage with that much AP and buff %!

I think there is a better/more consistent team with Gwenom but I'm not sure what it'd be. It's possible that we don't have the partner or support she needs just yet.

@entrailbucket said:
I think it used to be easier when powers were less complicated. The problem is that everything is a 1000 word essay with 12 transforming passives now, and the presence or absence of one word (or an interpretation of one word!) often ends up being the key to how effective they are. It's just way too easy to miss something when you're only going off the descriptions.

It's definitely not impossible to evaluate characters, but you really need to actually play them these days before you can figure them out.

Deciding what will be "meta" is honestly probably not possible, though. It's dependent not just on power, but on circumstances, availability, etc. (Juggernaut/Sam is super strong because it both ignores and benefits from Leapfrog, and because Thanos Copter is super powerful.)

Besides, what's two days, anyway? Elsa will be in game by then, and the early adopters can start testing for real, so why do we need to rush to get incomplete takes out early?

Would be cool if they had some sort of intro event a week before they were released, even if it were just a danger room-type practice w/ no rewards. Then any weird interactions could be seen early and we could tell how ****/not **** they are.

@BlackBoltRocks said:
4* Elsa is a secondary feeder for 5* Elsa. Any idea who the primary feeder is?

4* Yondu