Extra levels on 5* Sam?

Helinutz
Helinutz Posts: 56 Match Maker
in MPQ General Discussion

My Sam Wilson is sat at Lvl 461 and he leave LL very soon.
I have most of the Meta’s max champed so not sure if Sam will get much use even with more levels.
Just trying to get some opinions on whether to try and add a load more levels.
I’ve got maybe 600 pulls so could potentially get another 30 covers for him, J-Duck and the rather lame Hobgoblin, (plus a few more if I fave him) just not sure if it’s a good use of my resources

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  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,092 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 25 May 2025, 15:05

    Of all the recent 5s Sam is the only one who's part of a current meta with 4-5 Jugg.

    1. The odds of seeing a store with more than 1 really strong 5, based on the recent past, is quite low and unless the new 5 this week is really good you may want to hoard, basically, for at least 3 months after Sam. So consider that.
    2. Adding levels to Sam is probably a good idea (barring some nerf due to SamJuggs everywhere, but by himself he's not crazy strong, so a nerf to Sam seems kind of unlikely to me)
    3. You can wait about 2 days and find out whether the new 5 looks any good (I assume they'll tell us on/by Tuesday when they come back into the office) and make a final decision. I doubt they will offer a better kit than Sam who hits pretty hard and has a great passive.

    I am all-in on Sam as he plays well with others who aren't Juggs and why not?

  • dianetics
    dianetics Posts: 1,774 Chairperson of the Boards

    If you got fat Juggs add at least 20 levels.
    Up to you to decide how big you want him. It is a gamble to see how long he will be a part of the meta. I am happy leaving him around 480

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,628 Chairperson of the Boards

    The current best team is Sam with 4* Juggernaut. You need both, and extra levels on Sam do make the team better. At the moment, there's no better use of your resources than the best team there is.

  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 402 Mover and Shaker

    Imo 491 Sam will not net you much more than have now. A bigger jugg is more important.

    Imo, you should hoard for the next meta character. I don't see them giving another meta character until next year. I am not sure how long it took you to get 600 pulls but if you double that in a year, you could be ready to 550 it right way.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,628 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Codex said:
    Imo 491 Sam will not net you much more than have now. A bigger jugg is more important.

    Imo, you should hoard for the next meta character. I don't see them giving another meta character until next year. I am not sure how long it took you to get 600 pulls but if you double that in a year, you could be ready to 550 it right way.

    Why do you think Juggernaut is more important? Even at 550, Sam's strikes are carrying your damage output.

    There is no "schedule" for strong characters, this has been repeatedly disproved.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,569 Chairperson of the Boards

    Yeah, it's the strikes that are adding extra damage to the jugg/ Sam team and those strikes get bigger from sam being bigger. I hit 550 jugg with low level Sam over a team with big sam and smaller Jugg.

    I would unload the hoard now and get sam bigger.

  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 402 Mover and Shaker

    @entrailbucket said:

    @Codex said:
    Imo 491 Sam will not net you much more than have now. A bigger jugg is more important.

    Imo, you should hoard for the next meta character. I don't see them giving another meta character until next year. I am not sure how long it took you to get 600 pulls but if you double that in a year, you could be ready to 550 it right way.

    Why do you think Juggernaut is more important? Even at 550, Sam's strikes are carrying your damage output.

    There is no "schedule" for strong characters, this has been repeatedly disproved.

    The player mentioned they believe the can add 30 more levels to Sam, taking it to 491. Whether it is 461 or 491 it won't be a deterrent on defense.

    If the player has max meta as they say, I assume they use those max meta in pve and this discussion high level Sam is primarily for pvp. In my experience of using of my own high level Jugg Sam team in pvp, they are only useful climbing past my mmr. Once I get to seals it does not matter the level Jugg Sam, it would destroy all, even at 461.

    You are right there is no schedule. But power creep is a thing. To say next year's characters won't be better than this year's, is not something I would personally believe.

    I have been wrong in the past and can be wrong again, this just my opinion. It up to the player to take the advice or not. In their situation , I would hoard for the next meta character rather taking Sam to 491.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,628 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Borstock said:
    461 to 491 matters on offense. It matters less on defense because people will just see "not 550", even if it is significantly stronger with those added levels.

    I agree with this, plus...461 to 491 matters, period! You can't get to 550 unless you get to 491 first, and 30 levels is a lot on a very strong character.

  • WilliamK1983
    WilliamK1983 Posts: 1,110 Chairperson of the Boards

    Also, pulling for him while he's in LLs is much more resource efficient compared to swaps and favoring said character.

    Also, higher the health for your guy, less you need to use packs.

  • Helinutz
    Helinutz Posts: 56 Match Maker

    Thanks for all the comments guys.
    I will see who they release next before final decision.
    For info my 4-5 Juggs is ascended to lvl 480 so no slouch, but don’t tend to find myself using him over a 550 or boosted toon.
    Descision time I think 😵‍💫

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,623 Chairperson of the Boards

    Don't sleep on 4Asc5Juggs/Sam in PVE also. They are quite good together (even when not at 550) and can sometimes clear nodes quicker than other characters, depending on levels. This meta team is really good at both PVE and PVP.

  • Helinutz
    Helinutz Posts: 56 Match Maker

    So just seen the new 5* who I think has potential. Her release store includes Riri and strange so will probably use my CP hoard on that as I use Riri a lot with Mthor and should be able to 550 her and strange. Still undecided on more lvls for Sam as using LT’s alone would only get a maximum of about 10. I suppose there’s no wrong or right answer as part of the game is deciding how best to use the resources you earn and then developing teams and strategies around them

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 688 Critical Contributor

    Someone mentioned Juggs being stronger is more important, and that is true, at least for 2 colors. They share Red and Blue, and if Sam is matching them over Juggs it defeats the purpose. However, I think your Sam would have to go way higher than Juggy to reach that.

    I stopped mine at 469 because he more than serves his purpose now. It's really just all on whether or not you want to use those tokens for other characters. If all you want to do is run Sam Juggy and win a couple of seconds faster, then unload on em.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,628 Chairperson of the Boards

    @WhiteBomber said:
    Someone mentioned Juggs being stronger is more important, and that is true, at least for 2 colors. They share Red and Blue, and if Sam is matching them over Juggs it defeats the purpose. However, I think your Sam would have to go way higher than Juggy to reach that.

    I stopped mine at 469 because he more than serves his purpose now. It's really just all on whether or not you want to use those tokens for other characters. If all you want to do is run Sam Juggy and win a couple of seconds faster, then unload on em.

    I'm not sure this would be possible, even if Sam was 550 and Juggernaut was 450. Juggernaut gets a 225% boost to his base match damage. Maybe if Sam was boosted and Juggernaut wasn't?

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 688 Critical Contributor

    "However, I think your Sam would have to go way higher than Juggy to reach that."

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