Cosmic Legends Vault

The cost to empty it is 2450 CP or 100 pulls in latest.

You get back 40 pulls
5 pulls in Cosmic legends
14 pulls in latest
14 pulls in classic
100 cp (4 pulls)
1500 5 star shards (3 pulls)

So for the cost of 60 pulls you get:
3 roster slots
5 master support tokens
750K ISO
500K RISO
40 Heroic tokens

Not sure it's worth it unless you really need the ISO or think those 5 master support tokens will move the needle.

KGB

You can empty it for 2275 (3x630+7x55). Also those Cosmic Legends are guaranteed 5* so those and the favourite shards are arguably worth significantly more than an LL.

But yeah, it's probably not the best way to spend CP, but with that much ISO I couldn't resist.

The Master Support Tokens are the temptation for me. They're almost impossible to get otherwise. But that's a LOT of CP.

@fractalvisions said:
You can empty it for 2275 (3x630+7x55).

ACK-tually it's 2175 net...because you get 100 CP directly back from the vault.

I did 24 pulls and already got all the red Iso and Master Support Tokens, which were my main goals. It was worth it to me to pull the whole vault if I had to, in order to get those. Now it becomes more of a question if I should empty the vault or stop here.

For me, this vault is the best value I've seen in a vault in a long time, maybe a year and a half. Unless you had a Legends or special vault where you wanted covers for at least 2 of the 3 characters in it, this is probably a better deal for everyone except the most whaliest of the maxed out whales, the ones who need nothing in the game except new characters.

2175 would get you 87 pulls from LLs. That would get you, on average, 12 5-stars, 4 of each character. With this vault, you can guarantee yourself 3 5-stars of any character you choose. Then you're guaranteed another 5 cosmic 5-stars. Then you get 28 LL and classic tokens, which should get you another 4 5-stars from those vaults.

So, the math actually comes out perfectly...you get 12 5-stars whether you spend the CP on this vault or on an LL vault. The mix of characters you end up with is just going to be different. But, by accepting this different mix of 5-stars (and less incidental 4-stars), you also get a wealth of other items, as follows:

3 roster slots
5 master support tokens
750,000 Iso
750,000 red Iso
40 heroic tokens

So, you're giving up a lot if you spend you CP on the LL vault instead, in exchange for changing 9 of your 5-star covers to be new characters instead of older ones, and getting more 4-stars.

Supports are the items I'm currently lagging the most behind in in the game. I only have 26 5-stars out of 72 supports. And tons of my supports need red Iso, including 5 of the 5-stars that have still not been leveled at all. I'm looking at 2 years at normal earning rates to get all that red Iso. This 750,000 from the vault is just a drop in the bucket too, only covering the ranking of one of those 5-stars with some change, or covering slightly less than taking 2 4-stars to level 200. The 4-stars are actually the ones I'm focusing on first, because they have to be at 200 before you can shard them up to 5. It would not be good to get one up to 1600 shard but not have enough red Iso to rank it up.

If you're someone who's maxed out all your supports (or all the ones you care about), don't need roster slots and don't need Iso, then you may not need this vault, because all you care about in this game is getting the latest characters. Most of the rest of us probably need this vault more than we need LL pulls. It does hinge on you having enough CP, which lower-ranked players may not. I saved up almost 15,000, so there was no question I'd be taking advantage of this vault.

Don't forget to calculate in all the other lost covers when factoring in opening this vault.

For example opening 87 LTs nets you 87 covers. If you get the expected 12 5s you also get 65 4 star covers which can lead to a lot of champ rewards. You are also forgoing a whole bunch of shards, including bonus shards for 5s (100 pulls nets you one 500 5 bonus shard so 87 pulls is 87% likely to net that 500 bonus shards and there are other smaller bonus shards for 5s plus all the bonus shards for 4s etc).

It's comes down to how much you value those master support tokens. If you already have pretty much every support token at R3 or above it's probably not worth it because odds say you only get 1 R4 out of this. But if you are missing supports entirely or have a mostly R1 or R2 it has more value.

KGB

@KGB said:
Don't forget to calculate in all the other lost covers when factoring in opening this vault.

For example opening 87 LTs nets you 87 covers. If you get the expected 12 5s you also get 65 4 star covers which can lead to a lot of champ rewards. You are also forgoing a whole bunch of shards, including bonus shards

33 of the cover-related items in the vault come in the form of tokens though. So you're reducing your LL/CL/other vault pulls by 54, not 87. So maybe there's a half or something approaching another 5-star favorite cover lost among the shards from those 54 pulls. Which just reduces your net gain from the vault to 2 full covers from shards instead of 3. You can't overlook that a full favorited cover that you choose is more valuable than a cover that you're trying to target from random pulls. It's guaranteed what you want, and you get 3 of them here, or perhaps a net of 2 and some change compared to normal CP pulls.

To estimate what you lose from an estimated 46 4-stars out of those 54 pulls, I'll count what you get from adding 46 levels to one 4-star, starting at a point after you already have 20 covers in. I'll do Spider-Man India, who doesn't have 5-star shards in his rewards:

1750 HP
125 CP
45000 Iso
5 LL

So 10 more LL or CL pulls, which is another 1 or maybe 2 5-star covers. And enough HP to get 1-and-a-half roster slots. And those 9 additional 4-star covers would get you about 2 more LLs, 200 HP, etc. Probably not enough to be a big game-changer on calculating the logic of whether this vault is worth it to you.

It's comes down to how much you value those master support tokens. If you already have pretty much every support token at R3 or above it's probably not worth it because odds say you only get 1 R4 out of this. But if you are missing supports entirely or have a mostly R1 or R2 it has more value.

That's a little bit of an understatement of the odds. 4-star supports are 1 in 3, so there's a significant chance you get 2 4-star supports out of these 5 pulls. 5-star supports are 1 in 20, so you're also giving yourself a rare chance at one of those. Those are valuable enough that it's worth a certain level of risk to chase them. Since this vault may be a one-and-done occurence, it's a rare opportunity to roll the dice. If this vault came up every month, then it might be more important to think about the average odds of getting 5-star supports, as opposed to chasing a lucky spin.

These 5 support tokens also get you a base of 250 support shards, plus whatever you get from duplicate supports. That looks like 520 support shards if you pull 4 3s and 1 4 as duplicates. So roughly half of a 5-star support from shards, assuming you wait until your supports are at 4 stars before ranking them up. As well as more red Iso from these duplicates.

@entrailbucket said:
Favorite 5 star shards are (for most players) the best reward in the entire game and it's not particularly close.

Most players want to level only the strongest characters, so getting "3 levels on the best guy you don't have maxed out" is significantly more valuable than random pulls for random characters.

I'd argue that getting favorite support shards is probably on par or even better than favorite 5 star shards. Especially given how hard it is to get support tokens and level up supports.

KGB

Does anyone have the points chart for the support shards you get when you pull a support that you already have? Specifically, if I already have a 5*, and pull the equivalent 5, 4 or 3, how many support shards do I get in return? Thanks!

@KGB said:
@LavaManLee

https://d3go.com/support-shards/

KGB

Thank you so much! Greatly appreciated.