New Character - Hobgoblin (Roderick Kingsley) 5*

WhiteBomber

@entrailbucket said:

@WhiteBomber said:

@entrailbucket said:
Lol duh. Hobgoblin purple only costs 6, so bring a 6 purple support and you're all set. It's a turn 1 win against literally anything.

It's pretty slow and a lot of clicking, and the AI will never do it right, but eh, it works. You also only take one turn of damage.

Excluding Chasm, Winder and Frog? I wonder if that would be faster than MM, Coulson. Definitely worse on defense since I use Chasm as a 3rd for that team.

I think it's probably very slow. It'd depend how big your Coulson is, and yeah you'd have trouble with leapfrog. The attraction is that it's literally infinite -- casting Hobgoblin blue will generate enough blue AP to cast it again.

For sure, that's definitely an easy infinite. It's just unfortunate that that is this guys only trick (so far) and in doing so, you lose the safety of your own Chasm. Meanwhile Agathas infinite is turn one and very low chance a move is needed.

More options are cool though I suppose.

DAZ0273

I am pretty impressed how far you guys have gone to try and find a rescue for Hobby, it is fantastic stuff. Sadly I am not so sure Hobby deserves all this effort but that is what he gets for being a cheap hood with a knock off kit. I do wonder who we might have got if the Devs were still doing 5/3 releases - maybe Demon Hobby from Inferno?

bluewolf

Remember that Hobgoblin has his passive dmg avoidance repeater, which would certainly help with the “survive one turn” thing. Put leapfrog on Hawkeye maybe.

I am hoping/guessing Demogoblin will be a costume.

dianetics

After using him I am viciously apathetic.
He could have been interesting 3 years ago.
He has no place in the game as it stands today.

I think he should start the game airborne and use his black on 3 random tiles when he returns from airborne.

bluewolf

@dianetics said:
After using him I am viciously apathetic.
He could have been interesting 3 years ago.
He has no place in the game as it stands today.

I think he should start the game airborne and use his black on 3 random tiles when he returns from airborne.

I'll be honest that I'm not super excited about him, but my resource flow means I can basically get most of the new toons to 500+ at this point if I want, although I might need to stop pulling for some of them. Anyway, maybe it'll be fun to use him for infinite sometimes.

I agree there should be some passive bomb component. It could be 2 random tiles every 2 turns or something.

Also anyone new who is CD or Repeater based should punish Thor and others for destroying their tiles imo, especially if they're supposed to be bombs. I don't really care what the penalty is, but something. Even just AP stealing would be nice.

Daredevil217

@dianetics said:
After using him I am viciously apathetic.

Is that even possible? Seems like a bit of a paradox to be viciously anything and also apathetic.

Hobgoblin does strange things to us all. Need to process these new emotions…

entrailbucket

The fact that this new guy creates/enables a turn 1 infinite combo that beats literally anything, and he's BAD -- I think that's as big an indictment of the current metagame as I've seen.

And I agree that he's bad, too! A turn 1 infinite combo that beats any enemies of any level is BAD. Let that sink in.

dianetics

@Daredevil217 said:

@dianetics said:
After using him I am viciously apathetic.

Is that even possible? Seems like a bit of a paradox to be viciously anything and also apathetic.

Hobgoblin does strange things to us all. Need to process these new emotions…

That is actually the point of my post. I am glad you caught it.

He exists today, but would have been useful in another time.

ironsmudgie

Has anyone heard if they are going to make Taskmaster able to be made a favorite, now that he's primary feeder for a 5*? Having a limited as a feeder sucks

DAZ0273

Devil Dinosaur feeds Venom Dino and it didn't change there unfortunately, so wouldn't get your hopes up.

ironsmudgie

@DAZ0273 said:
Devil Dinosaur feeds Venom Dino and it didn't change there unfortunately, so wouldn't get your hopes up.

Does he? I just checked and mine does not show shards in reward tree, only LLs.

DAZ0273

@ironsmudgie said:

@DAZ0273 said:
Devil Dinosaur feeds Venom Dino and it didn't change there unfortunately, so wouldn't get your hopes up.

Does he? I just checked and mine does not show shards in reward tree, only LLs.

Oh wait, no he doesn't, I got that totally wrong! So uhm...hey, is that Ruby Thursday over there?!?!?!

vroom

Seph1roth5

@entrailbucket said:

@WhiteBomber said:
I love the idea and know Coulson is amazing, but that team will get seriously injured (if they win at all) against meta, or Kang, SWitch, Immortals, Agatha3/BRB etc.?

In this scenario you would also need to start with 5 red and 6 blue.

Seriously asking, definitely not trying to put down:
What kind of damage would that do to a max health Juggs or Baku? It should be close to a fixed number (barring cascades) since the countdowns are the same every match.

Theoretically it'd kill anything, but there are faster ways to do it. You do need to stay alive for one turn.

Start with 5 red or blue somehow (probably requires boosts)
Turn 0 cast Hawkeye red or blue, get 5 Coulson CDs
Turn 1 Coulson CDs resolve, Hawkeye generates 12 Blue and 8 red.

Expedite until everyone is dead. Every time you expedite you get 5 more Coulson CDs, which the next Expedite resolves 4 of, giving you 15 Blue and 10 red from Hawkeye.

It's actually super busted! That power shouldn't be blue (it should be yellow), but I guess nobody cares.

I don't get turn 0. It sounds like on turn 1 you're casting a power and getting coulson's CD, and then next turn, turn 2, they resolve?

LavaManLee

Turn > @Seph1roth5 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@WhiteBomber said:
I love the idea and know Coulson is amazing, but that team will get seriously injured (if they win at all) against meta, or Kang, SWitch, Immortals, Agatha3/BRB etc.?

In this scenario you would also need to start with 5 red and 6 blue.

Seriously asking, definitely not trying to put down:
What kind of damage would that do to a max health Juggs or Baku? It should be close to a fixed number (barring cascades) since the countdowns are the same every match.

Theoretically it'd kill anything, but there are faster ways to do it. You do need to stay alive for one turn.

Start with 5 red or blue somehow (probably requires boosts)
Turn 0 cast Hawkeye red or blue, get 5 Coulson CDs
Turn 1 Coulson CDs resolve, Hawkeye generates 12 Blue and 8 red.

Expedite until everyone is dead. Every time you expedite you get 5 more Coulson CDs, which the next Expedite resolves 4 of, giving you 15 Blue and 10 red from Hawkeye.

It's actually super busted! That power shouldn't be blue (it should be yellow), but I guess nobody cares.

I don't get turn 0. It sounds like on turn 1 you're casting a power and getting coulson's CD, and then next turn, turn 2, they resolve?

Turn 0 is what you can do before the opponent gets any turn at all.

Mr_F

Never liked the term turn 0. It's turn 1. MY turn 1 and opponents turn 1.

KGB

@LavaManLee said:
Turn > @Seph1roth5 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@WhiteBomber said:
I love the idea and know Coulson is amazing, but that team will get seriously injured (if they win at all) against meta, or Kang, SWitch, Immortals, Agatha3/BRB etc.?

In this scenario you would also need to start with 5 red and 6 blue.

Seriously asking, definitely not trying to put down:
What kind of damage would that do to a max health Juggs or Baku? It should be close to a fixed number (barring cascades) since the countdowns are the same every match.

Theoretically it'd kill anything, but there are faster ways to do it. You do need to stay alive for one turn.

Start with 5 red or blue somehow (probably requires boosts)
Turn 0 cast Hawkeye red or blue, get 5 Coulson CDs
Turn 1 Coulson CDs resolve, Hawkeye generates 12 Blue and 8 red.

Expedite until everyone is dead. Every time you expedite you get 5 more Coulson CDs, which the next Expedite resolves 4 of, giving you 15 Blue and 10 red from Hawkeye.

It's actually super busted! That power shouldn't be blue (it should be yellow), but I guess nobody cares.

I don't get turn 0. It sounds like on turn 1 you're casting a power and getting coulson's CD, and then next turn, turn 2, they resolve?

Turn 0 is what you can do before the opponent gets any turn at all.

Turn 0 is what you do/can do before you make a match (ie start of battle/turn powers, any powers you can fire from starting AP etc) . Once you make a match, that's your turn 1.

KGB

entrailbucket

Yeah sorry, "turn 0" is what happens before you move the board the first time. I suppose you could call that turn 1 and still be correct!

Hellblazer666

thank goodness for playing 20 missions with Gobby that helps

Godzillafan67

@entrailbucket said:
Yeah sorry, "turn 0" is what happens before you move the board the first time. I suppose you could call that turn 1 and still be correct!

Yes...

However, I think separating turn 0 from turn 1 is a worthwhile distinction. If a tactic succeeds on turn 0, then the play cannot be affected by bad boards or AI shenanigans on its turn 1.

entrailbucket

@Godzillafan67 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Yeah sorry, "turn 0" is what happens before you move the board the first time. I suppose you could call that turn 1 and still be correct!

Yes...

However, I think separating turn 0 from turn 1 is a worthwhile distinction. If a tactic succeeds on turn 0, then the play cannot be affected by bad boards or AI shenanigans on its turn 1.

I think so too! But some of the terminology we use for stuff isn't super clear or obvious, so if somebody asks I feel like I should explain it.