Dakkon 3rd ability, Forge the Blackblade token, not giving -x/-x to oponent´s creatures

Keyler

The token support (Forging the Blackblade) almost the all times is not giving the debuff to enemies creatures, I played lot of games and only sometimes happens but almost never works.

Anonymous2112

I've experienced this as well, but maybe not as frequently as the OP. My creatures are always buffed, but there are times when nothing happens to the opposing creatures. I can't pinpoint the circumstances, other than seeing it happen.

The ability reads:
Forged By Greed
Destroy the top 10 cards of your library. Create a Forging the Blackblade token. That card gains the Darkness Emblem. Move the first 2 Support cards from your graveyard to play under your control.

And the details for the token:
Forging the Blackblade
(White, Blue, Black)
Support Card (4)
Token
At the beginning of the combat on your turn: Your first creature gets +1/+1 for each White, Blue, and Black gem on the board until end of turn. Then: If this support has the Darkness Emblem - Opposing creatures get -X/-X until end of turn. X is the greatest number among White, Blue or Black gems on the board.

So the way I read this is the Darkness Emblem is automatically part of of the token, so the "If" clause should always occur. Although I'm curious why there's even a clause in the first place or what's the point the Darkness Emblem if it's always there.

Keyler

I tested each time if the support had the emblem and visually there was there.> @Anonymous2112 said:

I've experienced this as well, but maybe not as frequently as the OP. My creatures are always buffed, but there are times when nothing happens to the opposing creatures. I can't pinpoint the circumstances, other than seeing it happen.

The ability reads:
Forged By Greed
Destroy the top 10 cards of your library. Create a Forging the Blackblade token. That card gains the Darkness Emblem. Move the first 2 Support cards from your graveyard to play under your control.

And the details for the token:
Forging the Blackblade
(White, Blue, Black)
Support Card (4)
Token
At the beginning of the combat on your turn: Your first creature gets +1/+1 for each White, Blue, and Black gem on the board until end of turn. Then: If this support has the Darkness Emblem - Opposing creatures get -X/-X until end of turn. X is the greatest number among White, Blue or Black gems on the board.

So the way I read this is the Darkness Emblem is automatically part of of the token, so the "If" clause should always occur. Although I'm curious why there's even a clause in the first place or what's the point the Darkness Emblem if it's always there.

ArielSira

I could have sworn there was a clause in there that the trigger wouldn't happen if the opponent had a creature with vigilance. Am I mixing it up with another card or ability?

Edit: it was Guiltfeeder that I was thinking of. Both Dakkon's A3 and Guiltfeeder won't trigger at times.

AcidRhapsody

@Anonymous2112 said:
I've experienced this as well, but maybe not as frequently as the OP. My creatures are always buffed, but there are times when nothing happens to the opposing creatures. I can't pinpoint the circumstances, other than seeing it happen.

The ability reads:
Forged By Greed
Destroy the top 10 cards of your library. Create a Forging the Blackblade token. That card gains the Darkness Emblem. Move the first 2 Support cards from your graveyard to play under your control.

And the details for the token:
Forging the Blackblade
(White, Blue, Black)
Support Card (4)
Token
At the beginning of the combat on your turn: Your first creature gets +1/+1 for each White, Blue, and Black gem on the board until end of turn. Then: If this support has the Darkness Emblem - Opposing creatures get -X/-X until end of turn. X is the greatest number among White, Blue or Black gems on the board.

So the way I read this is the Darkness Emblem is automatically part of of the token, so the "If" clause should always occur. Although I'm curious why there's even a clause in the first place or what's the point the Darkness Emblem if it's always there.

I think lower level dakkons (before a3 lvl 4) don't get the emblem

Janosik

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/90885/dakkon-shadow-slayers-3rd-ability?utm_source=community-search&utm_medium=organic-search&utm_term=dakkon+-x

wraszowixuXuxi

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/86949/dakkon-shadow-slayer-official-thread#lates
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wraszowixuXuxi

It does seem to be how a lot of Planeswalkers have been designed in recent years, that their abilities may create the same type of token, but then make changes by a [marker emblem?] That changes based on the Planeswalker level. A lot of older Walkers are different, such as Daxos and Kalemne from DvK. Both have Lesser and Greater versions of their respective tokens, and such. There might be different issues for each style of design, but the added marker emblems might help communicate what the abilities do better if a player is gradually leveling their PW up and playing it at different stages. I could see that being up for debate too though.