Blue Sun's Zenith

System
System Posts: 1,032 Chairperson of the Boards
edited August 2018 in MtGPQ General Discussion
This discussion was created from comments split from: Darogaaz the busted?.
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  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    MarvinFine said:
    Anyone else think it's absolutely crazy that this thread has run to three pages and nobody has started one about BSZ yet?
    BSZ?
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  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards

    Mburn7 said:
    MarvinFine said:
    Anyone else think it's absolutely crazy that this thread has run to three pages and nobody has started one about BSZ yet?
    BSZ?

    Blue Sun's Zenith, which for 16 mana fills every card that you drew with 12 mana. This means you pay 16 mana to gain 72 mana, since you'll exile your hand before casting it to maximize return.

    I suspect there's no thread because few people have it at this point.

  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    I have it. It's on par with RishkarsEx plus pull from tomorrow, even if the costs are higher.
    If you build your deck for it - just cap it at 12 mana - you drop a full hand. Plus, the 72 mana don't even include the case that you pull another copy with the first one.. Draw again, gain 6 per card. Or more, if you happen to have a another source of Mana.
  • Brakkis
    Brakkis Posts: 777 Critical Contributor
    I want it so badly. That and Plague Wind made me salivate. Got PW, now I must get that BSZ.
  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    madwren said:
    Laeuftbeidir said:
    I have it. It's on par with RishkarsEx plus pull from tomorrow, even if the costs are higher.
    If you build your deck for it - just cap it at 12 mana - you drop a full hand. Plus, the 72 mana don't even include the case that you pull another copy with the first one.. Draw again, gain 6 per card. Or more, if you happen to have a another source of Mana.

    D3go: Rishkar's Expertise is the most broken mana generator in the game
    Oktagon: Hold my beer.



    MTG:  Mana generators should almost always be green.
    Hibernium:  Ok, lets CRANK THAT TO 11!
    Players:  Whoah there, that's way too busted.
    Oktagon:  *Chugs beer* Ok, hear me out.  What if we dialed that to a 12, and made it blue?
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  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    MarvinFine said:
    Normally this is the point where someone rushes in to say "No, no, BSZ is fine, it's pretty balanced really, I lost a game playing with it the other day, it's fine to have just one OP card in the environment, the fact that you have to exile the rest of your hand when you play it makes it a bit boring and nobody will want to play like that"

    Any takers?
    Meh, it’s a masterpiece. It’ll be fine.
  • Skiglass6
    Skiglass6 Posts: 149 Tile Toppler
    MarvinFine said:
    Normally this is the point where someone rushes in to say "No, no, BSZ is fine, it's pretty balanced really, I lost a game playing with it the other day, it's fine to have just one OP card in the environment, the fact that you have to exile the rest of your hand when you play it makes it a bit boring and nobody will want to play like that"

    Any takers?
    No, this is where they say “Greg will not play it correctly.  He will not wait to fully store it with mana. It is a spell which gets prioritized last and Greg will probably be dead by the time he gets a chance to play it”. 

    Then some will say “I haven’t ever lost to it, so let people have their easy button.  And please stop asking for everything to be nerfed.”

    Funny thing is that I did lose one match while playing it but I was playing against legacy with a full standard deck and I was trying to stay with cards under 12 mana. Quickly made a change and the way I lost shouldn’t happen again. But in all honesty I have won on turn 3 with standard cards a couple of times. I could hit turn 3 almost all of the time with with a previous standard Samut deck.  

    DumasAG said:
    MarvinFine said:
    Normally this is the point where someone rushes in to say "No, no, BSZ is fine, it's pretty balanced really, I lost a game playing with it the other day, it's fine to have just one OP card in the environment, the fact that you have to exile the rest of your hand when you play it makes it a bit boring and nobody will want to play like that"

    Any takers?
    Meh, it’s a masterpiece. It’ll be fine.
    This may not be correct anymore with the non-dupe elite pack. The MP’s can be targeted now and I think the amount of MP’s in the wild will escalate.  

    I will be miffed if they nerf it because I do not seem to get the broken cards. I didn’t get omniscience or Darogaaz the Busted. Still waiting for a copy of Olivia. That being said I will get over it if they do and I am trying to find the best ways to use it in the meantime. 

    PS. @madwren that hold my beer comment was for me the funniest comment I have read on this forum. 
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    Skiglass6 said:
    MarvinFine said:
    Normally this is the point where someone rushes in to say "No, no, BSZ is fine, it's pretty balanced really, I lost a game playing with it the other day, it's fine to have just one OP card in the environment, the fact that you have to exile the rest of your hand when you play it makes it a bit boring and nobody will want to play like that"

    Any takers?
    No, this is where they say “Greg will not play it correctly.  He will not wait to fully store it with mana. It is a spell which gets prioritized last and Greg will probably be dead by the time he gets a chance to play it”. 

    Then some will say “I haven’t ever lost to it, so let people have their easy button.  And please stop asking for everything to be nerfed.”

    Funny thing is that I did lose one match while playing it but I was playing against legacy with a full standard deck and I was trying to stay with cards under 12 mana. Quickly made a change and the way I lost shouldn’t happen again. But in all honesty I have won on turn 3 with standard cards a couple of times. I could hit turn 3 almost all of the time with with a previous standard Samut deck.  

    DumasAG said:
    MarvinFine said:
    Normally this is the point where someone rushes in to say "No, no, BSZ is fine, it's pretty balanced really, I lost a game playing with it the other day, it's fine to have just one OP card in the environment, the fact that you have to exile the rest of your hand when you play it makes it a bit boring and nobody will want to play like that"

    Any takers?
    Meh, it’s a masterpiece. It’ll be fine.
    This may not be correct anymore with the non-dupe elite pack. The MP’s can be targeted now and I think the amount of MP’s in the wild will escalate.  

    I will be miffed if they nerf it because I do not seem to get the broken cards. I didn’t get omniscience or Darogaaz the Busted. Still waiting for a copy of Olivia. That being said I will get over it if they do and I am trying to find the best ways to use it in the meantime. 

    PS. @madwren that hold my beer comment was for me the funniest comment I have read on this forum. 
    I mean, I don't know about most everyone else, but I don't have thousands of unobtainium stored up, and so far I've opened two mythics out of 9 premium packs. I would assume most everyone else is at a similar level. Chances of more than the tiniest subset of the playerbase (re: whales) being able to successfully target masterpieces out of packs seems highly, highly unlikely. 
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  • morgue427
    morgue427 Posts: 783 Critical Contributor
    went againt a teferri last night with it, he wrecked me never seen blue ramp like green before
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  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    edited August 2018
    MarvinFine said:
    Maybe we should change the title of this thread to 'Darigaaz is busted, and later BSZ also is busted too'.
    I would say we could instead comment on the "We're gonna sing the doom song now" thread, but I think it's more than 30 days old.

  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    MarvinFine said:
    Maybe we should change the title of this thread to 'Darigaaz is busted, and later BSZ also is busted too'.
    Is it time to bring back the StV is busted too?  I seriously can't believe all of the best mana ramp in the game is in Blue.  It makes my brain hurt.
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  • ManiiNames
    ManiiNames Posts: 213 Tile Toppler
    edited August 2018
    I own one, and it’s tiny kitty  strong.  I actually pulled TWO.  Got one in the pink pack and then one out of a normal reward pack a few minutes later.
  • Brakkis
    Brakkis Posts: 777 Critical Contributor
    edited August 2018
    Paper Scapeshift - Mythic green spell that sacrifices any number of lands of your choosing and allows you to play the number of lands sacrificed immediately. Obvious big green conversion potential.
    PQ - Uncommon. Gem destruction, of your own colors, and a single free land...

    Paper Blue Sun's Zenith - Rare eventual repeatable blue card draw.
    PQ - Mythic. Have all the cards. Also, have all the mana. All of it. Repeatedly. 

    Something seems ****-backwards here.

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