Liliana's Contract

Brakkis
Brakkis Posts: 777 Critical Contributor
in MtGPQ General Discussion
It's the new card that the player will be able to abuse while the AI will be incapable of replicating it's effects.

Nothing more about it really, just thought this to be an interesting thing.
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  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    I was thinking the same thing--definitely a player-only mechanic, though at least it arguably provides SOME benefit to the AI, even if it can't take advantage of the exiling portion (as opposed to, say, Drake Haven or Faith of the Devoted).
  • Enygma6
    Enygma6 Posts: 266 Mover and Shaker
    Probably not a good idea to play that card with Oath of Teferi, at least not without a plan to mitigate self-inflicted damage.
  • IM_CARLOS
    IM_CARLOS Posts: 640 Critical Contributor
    Problem: Standard is short of demon after rotation.

    But combination with teferis oath looks nice with right demons
  • Brakkis
    Brakkis Posts: 777 Critical Contributor
    edited July 2018
    Well there's 4 demons in Standard come Core 19; 2 from Origins, 1 from DOM, and 1 in Core.

    And ya, Oath of Teferi with it could be quite dangerous.
  • IM_CARLOS
    IM_CARLOS Posts: 640 Critical Contributor
    Actually there is another on in DOM, but only three are pitchable for the "players only" effect.
    Except the DOM demon the other one are a little underwhelming on it's own, if the support doesn't show up. 
  • Tilwin90
    Tilwin90 Posts: 662 Critical Contributor
    Too bad we can't do it Paper Magic style with Arcane Adaptation (since it was narrowly designed only with Ixalan in mind).
  • Froggy
    Froggy Posts: 511 Critical Contributor
    So I pulled this card and put together a wonderful demon deck, abusing Lich Mastery and Alhammeret’s Archive. Had this great idea. It was flawless.

    Except... Liliana’s Contract does not work... I exiled multiple demons from my hand and... Nothing. Nothing at all. That says it best, right? I chose to differ...
  • DumasAG
    DumasAG Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    Froggy said:
    So I pulled this card and put together a wonderful demon deck, abusing Lich Mastery and Alhammeret’s Archive. Had this great idea. It was flawless.

    Except... Liliana’s Contract does not work... I exiled multiple demons from my hand and... Nothing. Nothing at all. That says it best, right? I chose to differ...
    Maybe it needs to be a specific demon? Or maybe an effect has to exile it? Such that exiling for free from hand wouldn't work?
  • Froggy
    Froggy Posts: 511 Critical Contributor
    DumasAG said:
    Froggy said:
    So I pulled this card and put together a wonderful demon deck, abusing Lich Mastery and Alhammeret’s Archive. Had this great idea. It was flawless.

    Except... Liliana’s Contract does not work... I exiled multiple demons from my hand and... Nothing. Nothing at all. That says it best, right? I chose to differ...
    Maybe it needs to be a specific demon? Or maybe an effect has to exile it? Such that exiling for free from hand wouldn't work?
    Per the card there should not be... The second part of the text does not work as is written. @Brigby
  • Brakkis
    Brakkis Posts: 777 Critical Contributor
    Man, Brigby is going to come back from GenCon with so many @'s
  • Matthew
    Matthew Posts: 605 Critical Contributor
    @madwren

    Care to comment on this? Froggy's saying that Contract doesn't work as intended, but I know you put together a deck for it the other day. Did you actually test it out, and if so, was it functioning properly?
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited August 2018
    Liliana's Contract is working fine for me. My deck uses Herald of Anguish, Ammit Eternal, Demon of Catastrophes, and Razaketh for the demons.

    I mean, you have to have two demons in play for it to work, but I'm sure Froggy knew that. Perhaps LM is interfering somehow.

    Anyway, I just re-tested it. Here's a screenshot of the Battle Log after I exiled Ammit and Herald from hand.




    (As an aside, for some reason clicking on the image icon and pasting the URL didn't seem to do anything..what am I missing? I thought that would embed it)

    //Censored In-Game Name -Brigby
  • Brakkis
    Brakkis Posts: 777 Critical Contributor
    madwren said:
    (As an aside, for some reason clicking on the image icon and pasting the URL didn't seem to do anything..what am I missing? I thought that would embed it)

    I've never been able to upload any image to the forums while on mobile personally. No matter what image or where it's from, I put the url in and nothing. I have to wait until I get to a PC to post with images.
  • boopers
    boopers Posts: 175 Tile Toppler
    Froggy said:
    So I pulled this card and put together a wonderful demon deck, abusing Lich Mastery and Alhammeret’s Archive. Had this great idea. It was flawless.

    Except... Liliana’s Contract does not work... I exiled multiple demons from my hand and... Nothing. Nothing at all. That says it best, right? I chose to differ...
    I did the same thing with this and lich. Worked perfect. Belzerok did 17, kothoped did 14, etc. 
  • Kinesia
    Kinesia Posts: 1,621 Chairperson of the Boards
    @Froggy Could you post the full deck?
    Even though I can't test this myself I am soooooo curious about the different experiences and what else might be causing it...


  • Froggy
    Froggy Posts: 511 Critical Contributor
    edited August 2018
    Here is the deck I’ve used.

    Demon of catastrophes
    Demonlord Belzenlok
    Kothophed
    Rite of Belzenlok
    AA
    Rise from the Grave
    Vraska’s Contempt
    Infernal Reckoning 
    Lich’s mastery
    Lili’s Contract

    And yes, two demons in play.

    Everything works fine with Lili’s Contract, except for that last exile part. I’ve tried with 2 and 3 demons in play, nothing. I’ve tried with the demon having no mana, as well as full mana, still nothing.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited August 2018
    Did you try it without Lich's Mastery in play? Though I guess Boopers said that he's gotten it to work.

    Maybe Rite of Belzenlok's demon isn't counting as a demon in play properly? That's puzzling.

    I can confirm that for me, at least, the demons in hand do not need mana.
  • James13
    James13 Posts: 665 Critical Contributor
    Froggy: Try without Archive.

    Archive always seems to do some funky stuff you'd never expect.
  • boopers
    boopers Posts: 175 Tile Toppler
    edited August 2018
    Froggy said:
    Here is the deck I’ve used.

    Demon of catastrophes
    Demonlord Belzenlok
    Kothophed
    Rite of Belzenlok
    AA
    Rise from the Grave
    Vraska’s Contempt
    Infernal Reckoning 
    Lich’s mastery
    Lili’s Contract

    And yes, two demons in play.

    Everything works fine with Lili’s Contract, except for that last exile part. I’ve tried with 2 and 3 demons in play, nothing. I’ve tried with the demon having no mana, as well as full mana, still nothing.
    Wow... that is almost the EXACT deck I built to test it. I used priest of the blood rite though... another option to get a demon on board easily. And of course it’s got nice synergy with lich and A1 too. I had no issues with AA. 
  • garycsl
    garycsl Posts: 23 Just Dropped In
    Just add the remark that you need EXACTLY 2 Demons in play to trigger the damaging ability.

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