Doctor's orders Apr 25-27 season 1

over_clocked

yup it's pretty ironic that the 15th scorer of Shield feels it necessary to boast of their alliance's score.
those e-muscles are really big, sure.

Bowgentle

locked wrote:

yup it's pretty ironic that the 15th scorer of Shield feels it necessary to boast of their alliance's score.
those e-muscles are really big, sure.

I would understand it if 20th would have been good enough for top 3 in any other alliance, that would actually be pretty meaningful.
Comparing 19th with 12th looks rather random.

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LoreNYC wrote:

they'd rather spend a buttload of HP shieldhopping for no particular reason while not finishing in the top 2 in pve

Resources well spent indeed. But as long as its fun, who cares right?

Off the topic of alliance comparisons (every team that posts here pretty much is kicking **** and getting great rewards), but relevant to this quote - I was able to score 1300+ in this one using only 3 shields (2x3 hr + 1x8hr). Came out 100HP in the black for this one.

As for PvE, I have to give y'all (and Retribution! amazing charge) a serious nod. I nearly lost my mind towards the end of that one - you showed some serious fortitude to tough it out over 9 days.

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jozier wrote:

Lycra wrote:

jozier wrote:

The person that's 19th in SHIELD would rank 12th in the 2nd highest scoring alliance.

That is domination.

The person that's 15th in SHIELD is quite a teenyweeny kitty.

That is truth.

Lose with dignity. SHIELD heaped praise on your alliance for finishing first last PVP. Your alliance is noticeably silent this time around. I was pointing out an interesting fact, because the alliance points SHIELD put up this time are a record for a PVP.

But whatever, keep up your vendetta and enjoy being the bridesmaid.

You know dude, I'd really like to keep things cordial and the banter friendly. I have heaps of respect for the way SHIELD applauded our win the last time; they know how to be both worthy winners and gracious losers. You, on the other hand, are an exception to the rest of SHIELD. In fact, most on the forums can see you are a blemish on their reputation.

Let me break it down for you. With your roster at the moment, you'd probably be drafted into one of our junior alliances if you tried applying to the 5Deadlys. Tell me again, when was the last time you pulled SHIELD up with your PvP score? You put up very average points. The most impressive thing about SHIELD isn't how they are able to consistently win PvP events, but how they are able to win events even with a very mediocre player like yourself.

Now count your lucky stars that you somehow sneaked in a top alliance. And try to learn from the others in your team. Until you do so, don't pretend for a second that you are SHIELD material. Because you're not - neither in terms of the points they are able to earn, nor they class the exude.

As it stands, you are a tweeny-weeny kitty. Accept that with dignity.

over_clocked

^ Don't forget AsianInvasion aka Brady28 aka holier-than-thou-dude.

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Think that's a little harsh Lycra. Jozier brings a lot to our team we don't only concentrate on points. He plays a very efficient game using minimal shields unlike me who personifies shields. We all bring something to the table. His numbers were good in the PVE and he still scored 1100+ in PVP and does so consistently. Let's just play the game and have fun.

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beemand2g wrote:

Let's just play the game and have fun.

I agree, Beeman, but that's hard when BOTH sides have AT LEAST on person who ALWAYS escalates or insults, even when the other side tries to move toward detente. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Bowgentle

wathombe wrote:

beemand2g wrote:

Let's just play the game and have fun.

I agree, Beeman, but that's hard when BOTH sides have AT LEAST on person who ALWAYS escalates or insults, even when the other side tries to move toward detente. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Ah, just think of jozier as the family member who always gets drunk at gatherings and then goes off and insults everyone.
He's the black sheep of S.H.I.E.L.D but you always know what to expect from his posts

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On another topic, I am firmly in the camp that D3 must do something to resolve the bugged Falcon rewards--either remove the Falcon covers mistakenly awarded or give everyone else who received a blue or red Mags cover the opportunity to trade them in for yellow and blue Falcon covers.

Several points to that end:

1) One of the objectives of the game is to collect covers. Whether the character is good or not, some people (like myself) are going to want 13/13 for the sake of completionism. The players who received the erroneous covers have been given an unfair 2500 HP boost toward that objective (or less, if their Mags are at less than 13/13, but I'm guessing D3 will at least award them the covers they didn't get).

2) As for the competitive edge argument, it's not this week that it's a problem, it's in 3-4 weeks when more Falcon covers have been awarded and they run Top Gun again. I agree that the difference between a lvl 30 Falcon team and a lvl 62 Falcon team is slight, but the difference between a lvl 212 5/5/3 Falcon team and a lvl 173 4/4/3 Falcon team is much more substantial. While the prevailing opinion seems to be that he's not a powerful character, if we do not say anything when they come for our Falcon covers, we will not be able to say anything when they come for our [insert powerful character here] covers.

3) As for whether or not it's "too difficult" to resolve this error in terms or code or game mechanics, that doesn't matter AT ALL. When a developer makes an error, any developer with good community management has a responsibility do what it takes to resolve that error. Ignoring the mistake is not an acceptable solution. Blizzard was not afraid to rollback the entire game back in vanilla when they needed to. Even little Asymmetric with their 2-3 man development team (back in the day) busted their **** to resolve mistakes like White Wednesday in Kingdom of Loathing. How D3 handles this will be another big indicator of the longevity of this game.

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Congrats Flasheart on 1st place, wish i had seen you break shield a minute earlier, missed cutoff for last fight by 20 secs.

Not loving this season tracker reminding me of 2nd place finish either...

Will have to push harder for top placement in Top Gun, untrainable covers be damned.

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Lycra wrote:

jozier wrote:

Lycra wrote:

jozier wrote:

The person that's 19th in SHIELD would rank 12th in the 2nd highest scoring alliance.

That is domination.

The person that's 15th in SHIELD is quite a teenyweeny kitty.

That is truth.

Lose with dignity. SHIELD heaped praise on your alliance for finishing first last PVP. Your alliance is noticeably silent this time around. I was pointing out an interesting fact, because the alliance points SHIELD put up this time are a record for a PVP.

But whatever, keep up your vendetta and enjoy being the bridesmaid.

You know dude, I'd really like to keep things cordial and the banter friendly. I have heaps of respect for the way SHIELD applauded our win the last time; they know how to be both worthy winners and gracious losers. You, on the other hand, are an exception to the rest of SHIELD. In fact, most on the forums can see you are a blemish on their reputation.

Let me break it down for you. With your roster at the moment, you'd probably be drafted into one of our junior alliances if you tried applying to the 5Deadlys. Tell me again, when was the last time you pulled SHIELD up with your PvP score? You put up very average points. The most impressive thing about SHIELD isn't how they are able to consistently win PvP events, but how they are able to win events even with a very mediocre player like yourself.

Now count your lucky stars that you somehow sneaked in a top alliance. And try to learn from the others in your team. Until you do so, don't pretend for a second that you are SHIELD material. Because you're not - neither in terms of the points they are able to earn, nor they class the exude.

As it stands, you are a tweeny-weeny kitty. Accept that with dignity.

Lol OK dude. I finished 4th on the team a couple PVPs ago. I don't push for 1500 when I don't need to. Feel free to call my roster "average" all you want. I have one of the more balanced rosters in the alliance, I don't prioritize 141s over being able to play in any event at a high level.

I finished higher than the majority of your entire alliance, and I do so every single PVP. So feel free to pretend like I'd be "drafted into your junior alliance" when I am much better than almost all your players. If I'm mediocre, that makes your entire alliance mediocre.

The only mediocre person here is your alliance which only wins if we hand it to you. Also FYI, nobody in SHIELD respects you.

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Bowgentle wrote:

locked wrote:

yup it's pretty ironic that the 15th scorer of Shield feels it necessary to boast of their alliance's score.
those e-muscles are really big, sure.

I would understand it if 20th would have been good enough for top 3 in any other alliance, that would actually be pretty meaningful.
Comparing 19th with 12th looks rather random.

I didn't use 20th because our 20th member took the PVP off. Had he participated, our 20th member likely would have been within the top half of the 2nd place alliance.

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As one of the beneficiaries of the glitch, I can see why others think it's unfair - albeit I'm not feeling any advantage except from a "collect them all" point of view. I would have no problem swapping back for cmags covers & refunding the iso on levelling if they can work that out.

But handing out falcon covers to everyone would be an odd response given that the glitch only seems to have affected bracket winners. Even if #1 had been advertised as falcon rewards, surely there would only be a modest number of people that could have won but didn't? And these are the people who will have least trouble getting them in future events provided they come up a few times

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mikeydollar7 wrote:

But handing out falcon covers to everyone would be an odd response given that the glitch only seems to have affected bracket winners. Even if #1 had been advertised as falcon rewards, surely there would only be a modest number of people that could have won but didn't? And these are the people who will have least trouble getting them in future events provided they come up a few times

But the problem is the glitch didn't affect bracket winners' unique prize for #1 (the 4* cover), it affected their copy of the prizes for lower tiers. I would have less complaint if their 4* cover had been replaced with Falcon--that would just be a matter of false advertising, really.

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I don't think it's unfair. Play this game long enough and you will be the beneficiary of bugs, mistakes, unearned rewards or HP/cover refunds on mistakes you make.

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mikeydollar7 wrote:

As one of the beneficiaries of the glitch, I can see why others think it's unfair - albeit I'm not feeling any advantage except from a "collect them all" point of view. I would have no problem swapping back for cmags covers & refunding the iso on levelling if they can work that out.

But handing out falcon covers to everyone would be an odd response given that the glitch only seems to have affected bracket winners. Even if #1 had been advertised as falcon rewards, surely there would only be a modest number of people that could have won but didn't? And these are the people who will have least trouble getting them in future events provided they come up a few times

I don't think many people are angry about it if I am honest. you may have needed c mag covers so getting falcon may have been a slightly annoying. I won't be giving my falcon covers back I think I earned them in this event lol

NorthernPolarity

wathombe wrote:

On another topic, I am firmly in the camp that D3 must do something to resolve the bugged Falcon rewards--either remove the Falcon covers mistakenly awarded or give everyone else who received a blue or red Mags cover the opportunity to trade them in for yellow and blue Falcon covers.

Several points to that end:

1) One of the objectives of the game is to collect covers. Whether the character is good or not, some people (like myself) are going to want 13/13 for the sake of completionism. The players who received the erroneous covers have been given an unfair 2500 HP boost toward that objective (or less, if their Mags are at less than 13/13, but I'm guessing D3 will at least award them the covers they didn't get).

2) As for the competitive edge argument, it's not this week that it's a problem, it's in 3-4 weeks when more Falcon covers have been awarded and they run Top Gun again. I agree that the difference between a lvl 30 Falcon team and a lvl 62 Falcon team is slight, but the difference between a lvl 212 5/5/3 Falcon team and a lvl 173 4/4/3 Falcon team is much more substantial. While the prevailing opinion seems to be that he's not a powerful character, if we do not say anything when they come for our Falcon covers, we will not be able to say anything when they come for our [insert powerful character here] covers.

3) As for whether or not it's "too difficult" to resolve this error in terms or code or game mechanics, that doesn't matter AT ALL. When a developer makes an error, any developer with good community management has a responsibility do what it takes to resolve that error. Ignoring the mistake is not an acceptable solution. Blizzard was not afraid to rollback the entire game back in vanilla when they needed to. Even little Asymmetric with their 2-3 man development team (back in the day) busted their **** to resolve mistakes like White Wednesday in Kingdom of Loathing. How D3 handles this will be another big indicator of the longevity of this game.

1. Extra covers awarded aren't going to stop you from completing the character. D3 hands out a full set of covers for all of their characters eventually, so this change will on average result in people completing their falcon maybe 2 weeks earlier than other people. I don't agree that people save 2500HP in this regard because a very small percentage of the playerbase actually spends HP on maxing out characters in the first place: most people would just wait for the covers to be released in events, so I would say that a majority of players are losing out on 2 weeks of not having a max covered falcon as opposed to 2500HP.

2. Covers are handed out in sets of 3, and I would imagine that most people who have the iso/team to get a max level falcon will grab these 3 covers each event. Therefore, the difference would be more like 5/4/4 vs 4/4/4 or 4/4/3 vs 3/3/2, which is 212 vs 192 or 172 vs 115. I don't think the 1st case is that big of an advantage, but the second case obviously is. I don't think we can say anything about this really until we know when the next top gun event actually fires. I guess this would matter more if this happened to lazythor or something, but I don't think that this bug affects enough of the playerbase to meaningfully matter.

3. From what I've read, White Wednesday wiped a months worth of progression from everyone's accounts. This bug gave two extra covers to the winner of each bracket. meaning that the top .2% (200 players) got an extra 2 covers of a character, which amounts mostly to having a 2 week headstart on the development of the character and what may be anywhere from a 20-60 level advantage in the one PvP where it might matter and potentially PvE events where he's featured. I'm not arguing that it doesn't give an advantage to these 200 players since it clearly does, but I don't think that the problem is significant enough for them to need to really fix it.

I was thinking about the ways that they could fix the issue and they all seem really messy.

1. Suppose that they manually rolled back the covers for everyone that received it. By now most people would have already used the covers so I assume that they would have to go into each players account, and manually change the values for the amount of Falcon covers. If these players spent money on getting Falcon up to max, then d3 would have to deal with these players complaining that the extra covers were what motivated them to finish off the character and such. This also poses the question of what would happen if the player leveled up Falcon to the cap and covers were then removed: would he still have the same level as he did before or would his level be set to the new cap and they would have to refund the iso put into the character? This option seems like it would just cause a huge mess, and should probably be avoided.

2. Give everyone else who received blue/red mags the option to get falcon covers. If the players used the mags cover, then theres obviously no way for them to roll back the mag cover and offer the falcon cover instead so they would just have to straight up give falcon covers to everyone since they're not going to implement a crazy roll-back mechanism for this one time thing. D3 would also never do this because it will clearly affect their income if an extra pair of covers were handed out to all of these players, especially since this previous tournament didn't advertise that it was giving out falcon covers in the first place.

All in all, it's unfortunate that this glitch happened for the people that didn't place first, but I don't think that it meaningfully impacted the game enough for them to reasonably need to do anything about it.

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All fair points, NP, which I won't quote for the sake of post size here, but:

1) Yes, they hand out a full set eventually, but what if that last tournament with the last 2 or 3 Falcon covers coincides with the end of another gauntlet like The Hunt? Those ~200 players who got unfair Falcon covers can ignore or mostly ignore the PvP tournament to grind the PvE event more than those who can't.

2) We both agree that we can't really see the competitive edge effect without knowing when the next Top Gun tourney runs or how many covers they hand out between now and then.

3) White Wednesday was only an example, but many companies do what they need to do to fix mistakes. The response is usually driven by the size of the mistake. My point is that JUST because it's DIFFICULT to fix, doesn't mean that D3 can simply IGNORE it and do NOTHING.

EDIT: And I see your subtle point there about the glitch only affecting those who didn't place first (and the unspoken corollary point that if you didn't do well enough to get the glitched covers, don't complain ), but if the posted rewards had included two Falcon covers for first instead of Mags, I absolutely would have pushed for (and probably won) first in my bracket.

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wathombe wrote:

All fair points, NP, which I won't quote for the sake of post size here, but:

1) Yes, they hand out a full set eventually, but what if that last tournament with the last 2 or 3 Falcon covers coincides with the end of another gauntlet like The Hunt? Those ~200 players who got unfair Falcon covers can ignore or mostly ignore the PvP tournament to grind the PvE event more than those who can't.

2) We both agree that we can't really see the competitive edge effect without knowing when the next Top Gun tourney runs or how many covers they hand out between now and then.

3) White Wednesday was only an example, but many companies do what they need to do to fix mistakes. The response is usually driven by the size of the mistake. My point is that JUST because it's DIFFICULT to fix, doesn't mean that D3 can simply IGNORE it and do NOTHING.

EDIT: And I see your subtle point there about the glitch only affecting those who didn't place first (and the unspoken corollary point that if you didn't do well enough to get the glitched covers, don't complain ), but if the posted rewards had included two Falcon covers for first instead of Mags, I absolutely would have pushed for (and probably won) first in my bracket.

To be honest, this seems like a worse glitch and an easier fix than the one that was giving out the wrong token types to half the player base a month or so ago. At the very least they have a short list of all the 1st place finishers and can easily send the cmag covers.

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Has anyone who filed any sort of ticket about the glitched Falcon rewards gotten any response other than the ticket acknowledgement? I've been watching the forums all day for any sort of official recognition of the mistake, but I haven't seen anything yet.