How do you get an easier bracket? There's a reward up 4 grab

Unknown

Hi Everyone.

I am really tired of how some people have their game so much easier than others.

One of my alliance members only needs to score 315 points in a pvp event to be ranked top 10(Yes i am not making this up). While I have to make at least 600 to be even considered for Top 100. That is such nonsense.

In another instance. A member in my alliance who is a pve hitter has 5k less points than me(atm i have 50k in this pve, he has 45k) and he is ranked Top 2(I have seen a screenshot.

How on earth does this happen, what can I do?

If anyone can help me, I will reward you in gratitude, Respect and I could put in a good word in my DMZ alliance to put you guys in one of our strong alliances.

Can Anyone help me?
Thanks
DragonPriest( Commander of PVE1)

P.S Line can be easier if u want.
Line id: dragonpriest(all lowercase)

Spoit

Be a newbie. Or maybe stop playing completely for at least 3-4 months

darkmagearcanis

Spoit wrote:

Be a newbie. Or maybe stop playing completely for at least 3-4 months

This is true beyond words. I stopped playing for about 6 months and then came back and won quite a few PVE's and PVP's

Unknown

DMZ hasn't told you why this is?

The ones that have it easy are joining super late in an event and falling into an easy bracket. It's risky as sometimes you will get put in a bracket with high scorers already having 1k+.

Unknown

darkmagearcanis wrote:

Spoit wrote:

Be a newbie. Or maybe stop playing completely for at least 3-4 months

This is true beyond words. I stopped playing for about 6 months and then came back and won quite a few PVE's and PVP's

I had a different experience. I stopped for 7 months, and when I came back, in my first PvP, winning would have required more than 1000 points.

On the other hand, 900 points gave me top 5 then, so from my experience in other brackets where I'd need 1000 to even get 25 *coughWomenOfMarvelcough*, maybe it was an easy bracket.

Unknown

There is no secret...just stop playing and your average scores drop like a rock. This will place you into lower scoring brackets.

How many is still a mystery. I have been doing this for the past several seasons. Skip a whole season, and you will find it only takes 600pts to land first place. I don't even shield... The rest of the bracket is 94/94's to 20/25's that can't get past 560 even with boosts. HP builds up fast. Halfway though the season the brackets start to get tougher as your average score goes back up. It's somewhere around 6-8pvp events. First place will require 660, then 700 then 800...

The are a bunch of guys that do this to build our 4* roster. you will see a bracket where first place is 1k, but 2nd is 580 (there is that wall that weaker teams can't break.

Bracket tanking has been in the game for a long time. Most Ppl talk about it but those that are in competitive alliances don't have the freedom to do it. I'm casual now but spent the first six seasons in the 900-1k range in pvps. Now I spend about an hour and a half per event to get first place rewards. Brings the fun back and diminishes burn out.

Unknown

From what I found, joining early is obviously a bad idea because you end up with the guys who are sure they can win even if they joined immediately. But if you can't fight those guys and wait to join later you're probably running into a lot of guys thinking exactly the same thing and unless you happen to be the best player amongst that classification it'd still be tough. Of course you can always get lucky, but it seems like the game uses your recent performance in both PvP and PvE to ensure that you can't easily get matched up with guys who are nowhere close to you unless something really weird happened, like say a veteran bracket was just closed, so either you're the first guy in a veteran bracket (huge advantage in PvE, useful advantage in PvP) or you end up in a weaker bracket (huge advantage in PvP, probably neutral in PvE).

Unknown

I am aware of joining late.

Otherwise thanks.

Anyone wanna join up dmz pm me on line.

dragonpriest(all lowercase)

Unknown

darkmagearcanis wrote:

Spoit wrote:

Be a newbie. Or maybe stop playing completely for at least 3-4 months

This is true beyond words. I stopped playing for about 6 months and then came back and won quite a few PVE's and PVP's

I concur.

Last spring, I had it with MPQ for various reasons and stopped playing for about 3 months (playing once a day to get my daily bonus).

When I returned, I was able to win 3* covers in PvE for about a month (I believe Captain Marvel and She-Hulk) and then it was back to finishing outside the top 150. I don't even try in PvE anymore.

MarvelMan

Sorry to co-opt the thread, but these "tricks" are ridiculous. Everyone is playing for the same reward, why should their be easier paths to that reward for some? Especially since for the low roster it seems designed to benefit wont really need/use that 4* top prize, or probably even the 3*s just below.

Personally, I think the obvious fix is to just mix everyone together and tune rewards to the levels their data says will match their desired cover release rate.

ECOcrush

So my question is at what point have you "joined" an event?

Is it when you select your time shard, when you fight your first battle, or something different?

MarvelMan

ECOcrush wrote:

So my question is at what point have you "joined" an event?

Is it when you select your time shard, when you fight your first battle, or something different?

When you select your time shard.

LXSandman

It's actually very true that some people have been getting exceptionally easier PVP brackets then others.

It's not just joining late and being lucky. I have a friend who joins every pvp about 2 hours out and he gets top 5 every time with around 300 points. He plays every pvp and is competing for being first with a 3* roster. He has been playing for over a year. He had no idea what I was talking about when I was saying that I couldn't get top 100 with 400 points. His brackets are so weak that he never gets attacked. His go to team is Spidey and Mags. I'm not making this up.

I have two alliance mates that consistently get top 25 with 300 points. One of them came in first with 122 points (!!!!!!!!) on the last pvp. It's like these people have gotten stuck in newbie brackets even though they play daily.

I have no explanation. The other day I waited until 30 minutes were left in the pvp and join a bracket that had 350 people and a 1000 point scorer. It's not just about joining late.

LXSandman

slidecage

i been jumping in on the last hour or so so far since march

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8
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and today 88th

with around 400 pts each

Unknown

MarvelMan wrote:

Sorry to co-opt the thread, but these "tricks" are ridiculous. Everyone is playing for the same reward, why should their be easier paths to that reward for some? Especially since for the low roster it seems designed to benefit wont really need/use that 4* top prize, or probably even the 3*s just below.

Personally, I think the obvious fix is to just mix everyone together and tune rewards to the levels their data says will match their desired cover release rate.

I agree. Actually, pooling everyone together is how it used to be in the first 6-8 months after release. Now, I really like the game but this bracketing "feature" is possibly what I dislike the most. In PVP, we have MMR and time slices which are mostly fine and good. The bracketing, however, seems to be just an artificial way to slow down the progress of veterans under the guise of "giving you a good challenge". I'm a semi-hardcore player and before bracketing, I used to be able to get top 5 with a moderate decent effort pretty much every time. There were always 1-3 heavy hitters competing for top 1 but that was fine and they deserved it. I now need a similar effort for top 100.

I agree with what others said. If you leave for 1-2 months, you'll be bracketed as a beginner when you return. It lasts for only a few pvp events and then you'll be back into the regular player brackets. I don't think there's much you can do except stop playing for while.

As you said, bracketing breaks proper reward distribution for players getting an appropriate prize that reflects their progression/skill/effort. I think the problem is that the game just doesn't have enough content and they tacked on this mechanic to slow down the players in maybe the top half or so.

hsk808

Well, I'm in the same boat as many of you. I was looking forward to the HP sale but I'm not going to buy any now. There's no point because I can't progress. In PVP I can get up to about 600 points before I hit the XForce/4Thor wall and that's not good enough for top 100 in the brackets I always land in now. My top characters are all around level 105, full covers. My XForce is 4/4/2 L105. In PVE I played WAY too much MPQ trying to get ProfX in the Hunt but came up short despite the insane grind. So many hours of precious life wasted for nothing. I can take a tedious grind if there's at least some reward at the end, but this-- wasn't rewarding in any way. It was such a negative experience that I'm not even going to bother playing the Heroic PVE. I don't have the money to spend on ISO to max level everyone so I don't see any solution to this dilemma other than to take a break from the game for a while. Maybe I'll just play once a day (DPDQ) to collect the ISO and then return when I have a solid L166 3* team. It takes SO much ISO though...

Nylarx

LXSandman wrote:

It's actually very true that some people have been getting exceptionally easier PVP brackets then others.

It's not just joining late and being lucky. I have a friend who joins every pvp about 2 hours out and he gets top 5 every time with around 300 points. He plays every pvp and is competing for being first with a 3* roster. He has been playing for over a year. He had no idea what I was talking about when I was saying that I couldn't get top 100 with 400 points. His brackets are so weak that he never gets attacked. His go to team is Spidey and Mags. I'm not making this up.

I have two alliance mates that consistently get top 25 with 300 points. One of them came in first with 122 points (!!!!!!!!) on the last pvp. It's like these people have gotten stuck in newbie brackets even though they play daily.

I have no explanation. The other day I waited until 30 minutes were left in the pvp and join a bracket that had 350 people and a 1000 point scorer. It's not just about joining late.

LXSandman

Here is a theory - people are getting bracketed depending on the score that they are getting. We all know that stopping for a few events (or for months) lets us sink down to the newbie ranks, but after playing a few games you come back up to the big leagues.
Maybe, just maybe, if you let yourself sink down to the newbie ranks, and when you come back and just score 200-300 per event, you might be able to stay in the newbie bracket.
Of course there is no way to verify this without testing.

Unknown

Here is a theory - people are getting bracketed depending on the score that they are getting. We all know that stopping for a few events (or for months) lets us sink down to the newbie ranks, but after playing a few games you come back up to the big leagues.
Maybe, just maybe, if you let yourself sink down to the newbie ranks, and when you come back and just score 200-300 per event, you might be able to stay in the newbie bracket.
Of course there is no way to verify this without testing.

It's a theory I've tested for the past 5 or 6 seasons. It's not just point total alone. It's a mix of your final standing, your score, and how active you've been. Your bracket creeps up gradually the more you win. You're out of the newbie brackets at about 4 pvp events. 5-6 wins and you're up to the high level brackets.

I've even done testing by scoring high (1000) for the progression rewards, then putting in an old school tank team (featured+lvl24 mbw + lvl 48 im35) to get killed from 1000pts down to the low 100's, then retreat my way down to the 50's. It does not bring me back down to the newbie brackets even if sustained for several events. There's definitely more to it than just weighted average score over the past X events.

If you join a bracket and only hit 25 pts for a couple matches, you'll still creep up in difficulty. They may even be looking at health at start minus health at end of matches as a factor, or speed of match completion. Last season I've gone from newbie bracket to 4* brackets literally between two events.

The absolute surest way to tank your bracket is to completely ignore pvp events (somewhere around 8-10) before jumping back in. By ignoring, I mean do not even select a time shard. I think this "zero's" one of the variables in their algorithm and drops you into newbie brackets. Highly doubt it was intended to work this way.

For those of us that have most of our 3*'s cover maxed and only need to work on newer characters, it's easy to skip events entirely.

Spoit

Nah, I imagine that it's not TOTALLY a bug. They gotta entice people returning after a long break to actually stick around this time, instead of quitting for good

GuntherBlobel

In my T250 Alliance, the answer appears to be: slog through the 2* game for months until you have your first one or two playable 3* characters. One person in my Alliance took his 'Sticks and Stones' bracket with 700 pts. and an undercovered Sentry. I'm happy for them, although I haven't won 1st place since the first 2* Thor tourney. The consensus sentiment in our Alliance is : "Good job."

You might be able to trick the game though: try quitting the game or score below the Top 100 for the next few months and see if that helps.